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Post by Fistor on Jul 11, 2008 19:24:08 GMT -5
As I have said before, I have never known a poor person to create jobs. The rich in this country create jobs. They are also known to contribute more and to startup charities. ie Bill Gates. They do these more frequently when they aren't forced to pay 51% of their income in taxes. Finally, a stat. Can you please substantiate that 51% figure with a reputable link of some sort? Also, if it's the rich who create the jobs, they're doing a pretty shitty job. Unless you're counting the Indian and Mexican employees, who are becoming more are more wealthy because of our all-providing rich class. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 12, 2008 0:23:39 GMT -5
As I have said before, I have never known a poor person to create jobs. The rich in this country create jobs. They are also known to contribute more and to startup charities. ie Bill Gates. They do these more frequently when they aren't forced to pay 51% of their income in taxes. Oh and by the way, the liberals and their media aren't saying much about the WMD's found in Iraq that is now in Canada, are they. Must be a kick in the teeth to know that Bush wasn't lying. Might make it a little more difficult for Obama. apnews.myway.com/article/20080706/D91O8E100.htmlBoth Warren Buffet and Bill Gates have said they're not taxed enough, and I'm PRETTY sure(read 100%) that they're in the top 1%. Yellowcake uranium != WMD. Everyone knows Iraq was working on WMDs, but they didn't have them yet. |
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Post by leroyjenkins on Jul 13, 2008 21:53:30 GMT -5
Obama says he is the candidate for change. Change is well and good, but you can't have change for the sake of change. Is it change for the good or bad. You need to know that before you just change everything. what the hell did you just say? but i totally agree, he talks about change, and thats great, but his changes are not good... lets face it, hes an economic socialist, he will tax the middle and upperclasses until hes given away as much money as possible to the lower classes, he plans to spend enormous amounts of money on federal programs assiting the poor, all of which will be paid for again by tax increases to middle and upperclasses... who gives a shit about iraq, face it, well be there a long time, and bush knew that when we went it, so lets stop debating who voted about it 8 fuckin years ago and figure out how to fix this economy, and so far, neither candidate has a good policy on that... |
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Post by oldsquid on Jul 13, 2008 22:09:17 GMT -5
As I have said before, I have never known a poor person to create jobs. The rich in this country create jobs. They are also known to contribute more and to startup charities. ie Bill Gates. They do these more frequently when they aren't forced to pay 51% of their income in taxes. Oh and by the way, the liberals and their media aren't saying much about the WMD's found in Iraq that is now in Canada, are they. Must be a kick in the teeth to know that Bush wasn't lying. Might make it a little more difficult for Obama. apnews.myway.com/article/20080706/D91O8E100.htmlBoth Warren Buffet and Bill Gates have said they're not taxed enough, and I'm PRETTY sure(read 100%) that they're in the top 1%. Yellowcake uranium != WMD. Everyone knows Iraq was working on WMDs, but they didn't have them yet. Yeah, that yellowcake uranium could not even be used to make a dirty bomb. It would have to have been enhanced to do that. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 14, 2008 11:06:04 GMT -5
Obama says he is the candidate for change. Change is well and good, but you can't have change for the sake of change. Is it change for the good or bad. You need to know that before you just change everything. what the hell did you just say? but i totally agree, he talks about change, and thats great, but his changes are not good... lets face it, hes an economic socialist, he will tax the middle and upperclasses until hes given away as much money as possible to the lower classes, he plans to spend enormous amounts of money on federal programs assiting the poor, all of which will be paid for again by tax increases to middle and upperclasses... who gives a shit about iraq, face it, well be there a long time, and bush knew that when we went it, so lets stop debating who voted about it 8 effin years ago and figure out how to fix this economy, and so far, neither candidate has a good policy on that... Exactly... +1 |
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Post by leroyjenkins on Jul 14, 2008 22:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by lovegrenade on Jul 16, 2008 10:19:20 GMT -5
Obama says he is the candidate for change. Change is well and good, but you can't have change for the sake of change. Is it change for the good or bad. You need to know that before you just change everything. what the hell did you just say? but i totally agree, he talks about change, and thats great, but his changes are not good... lets face it, hes an economic socialist, he will tax the middle and upperclasses until hes given away as much money as possible to the lower classes, he plans to spend enormous amounts of money on federal programs assiting the poor, all of which will be paid for again by tax increases to middle and upperclasses... who gives a shit about iraq, face it, well be there a long time, and bush knew that when we went it, so lets stop debating who voted about it 8 effin years ago and figure out how to fix this economy, and so far, neither candidate has a good policy on that... "WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT IRAQ?!!!" I don't know, maybe the soldiers that are over there fighting/dying, maybe their families that are watching them die, maybe the Iraqi civilians that are being killed? WTF? Also, get your effin facts straight. Barack does not plan to raise taxes for the middle class, he only plans on reversing the Bush Tax Cuts for the ULTRA WEALTHY, that even McFlipflop once described as "irresponsible". |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 10:23:01 GMT -5
what the hell did you just say? but i totally agree, he talks about change, and thats great, but his changes are not good... lets face it, hes an economic socialist, he will tax the middle and upperclasses until hes given away as much money as possible to the lower classes, he plans to spend enormous amounts of money on federal programs assiting the poor, all of which will be paid for again by tax increases to middle and upperclasses... who gives a shit about iraq, face it, well be there a long time, and bush knew that when we went it, so lets stop debating who voted about it 8 effin years ago and figure out how to fix this economy, and so far, neither candidate has a good policy on that... "WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT IRAQ?!!!" I don't know, maybe the soldiers that are over there fighting/dying, maybe their families that are watching them die, maybe the Iraqi civilians that are being killed? WTF? Also, get your effin facts straight. Barack does not plan to raise taxes for the middle class, he only plans on reversing the Bush Tax Cuts for the ULTRA WEALTHY, that even McFlipflop once described as "irresponsible". keep it in your pants love grenade... and back off the steroids. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 16, 2008 10:25:13 GMT -5
what the hell did you just say? but i totally agree, he talks about change, and thats great, but his changes are not good... lets face it, hes an economic socialist, he will tax the middle and upperclasses until hes given away as much money as possible to the lower classes, he plans to spend enormous amounts of money on federal programs assiting the poor, all of which will be paid for again by tax increases to middle and upperclasses... who gives a shit about iraq, face it, well be there a long time, and bush knew that when we went it, so lets stop debating who voted about it 8 effin years ago and figure out how to fix this economy, and so far, neither candidate has a good policy on that... "WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT IRAQ?!!!" I don't know, maybe the soldiers that are over there fighting/dying, maybe their families that are watching them die, maybe the Iraqi civilians that are being killed? WTF? Also, get your effin facts straight. Barack does not plan to raise taxes for the middle class, he only plans on reversing the Bush Tax Cuts for the ULTRA WEALTHY, that even McFlipflop once described as "irresponsible". I think he means Iraq as a country, not the war but still not entirely sure  |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 10:25:53 GMT -5
"WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT IRAQ?!!!" I don't know, maybe the soldiers that are over there fighting/dying, maybe their families that are watching them die, maybe the Iraqi civilians that are being killed? WTF? Also, get your effin facts straight. Barack does not plan to raise taxes for the middle class, he only plans on reversing the Bush Tax Cuts for the ULTRA WEALTHY, that even McFlipflop once described as "irresponsible". keep it in your pants love grenade... and back off the steroids. Lovegrenade's right. "Who gives a shit about Iraq" was an extremely ignorant and insensitive thing to say. |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 10:28:09 GMT -5
I think he means Iraq as a country, not the war but still not entirely sure He was saying we should forget about Iraq because we just need to accept the fact we'll be there a long time. As if the deaths that occur there nearly every day are akin to video game violence. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 16, 2008 10:31:12 GMT -5
I think he means Iraq as a country, not the war but still not entirely sure He was saying we should forget about Iraq because we just need to accept the fact we'll be there a long time. As if the deaths that occur there nearly every day are akin to video game violence. Your right (as always) I should have read the entire quote a little more carefully |
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Post by lovegrenade on Jul 16, 2008 10:37:49 GMT -5
I don't normally break out the All-Caps, but I felt that asinine quote was worthy of it. I'm also sick of people spreading this misinformation about Barack suppossedly increasing taxes for the middle class. It's complete BS and yet every moron with a hard on for O'Reilly and Limbaugh seem to think it's true. Yes Bill and Rush, YOUR taxes will increase to pre-Bush levells. 99.9999999999% of your listeners will see tax decreases.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 10:43:43 GMT -5
I don't normally break out the All-Caps, but I felt that asinine quote was worthy of it. I'm also sick of people spreading this misinformation about Barack suppossedly increasing taxes for the middle class. It's complete BS and yet every moron with a hard on for O'Reilly and Limbaugh seem to think it's true. Yes Bill and Rush, YOUR taxes will increase to pre-Bush levells. 99.9999999999% of your listeners will see tax decreases. oh really dr. econ. read this article and see if u still keep your misinformed stance. www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/23319.htmlredistribution IS socialism |
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Post by lovegrenade on Jul 16, 2008 10:53:44 GMT -5
Well Captain America, that article doesn't refute anything that I've said. Barack Obama is not raising taxes on the Middle Class. The wealthiest 1% will see an increase in their taxes, because they will no longer receive the benefits of the irresponsible Bush Tax-Cuts. It's a shame though, because those tax cuts have worked out great over the last 8 years. |
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Post by lovegrenade on Jul 16, 2008 10:56:51 GMT -5
Don't worry Kaboobie92, I used to be a conservative Republican too. There's still hope for you...
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Post by lovegrenade on Jul 16, 2008 10:59:32 GMT -5
Also, in your pursuit to end Socialism, I recommend boycotting the police and fire protection that we all enjoy. Let it burn, that'll show us commie bastards...
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 11:32:53 GMT -5
oh really. In order to stimulate the economy we need more goods being purchased. This in turn make companies busier, hires more employees, and begins to make a successful market. Who do you think spends the most money? Not the poor people. Its the wealthy, middle upper class and the upper class. And why cant people get off their lazy asses and get a job or two instead of complaining and wanting other people to pay for them to sit on their couches and eat cocoa puffs. I'm so sick of these people that spawn off the government and waste my tax dollars, and these are the people that you would be supporting with this "redistrubution". You are arguing for this b/c you will probabally benefit from it. This will damage the economy as a whole, even though it may help people on the small end of the income ladder.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 11:34:09 GMT -5
Don't worry Kaboobie92, I used to be a conservative Republican too. There's still hope for you... .... And then your head got run over by a pack of tree-hugging, white flag waving pansies. |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 11:46:46 GMT -5
kaboobie, you are so painfully ignorant and out of touch with the real world, it's sad. And I was probably the exact same way when I was your age, too.
The vast majority of poor people are not poor simply because they're lazy. I've said this before. Maybe when you get some more responsibility in your life (like a mortgage, a wife, children, etc), you'll understand how hard it is to keep your head above water in an economy as shitty as this.
Until then, try to understand that not everything is black and white.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 11:50:20 GMT -5
i realize that.. some people do need help. But we are giving money out WAY too easily. And dont think i'm ignorant and out of touch. My dad is a business owner and I know how bad the economy is right now. Giving money away isnt going to help it. To many people are used to government aid and plan their lives around it. Our government needs to get a LOT smaller.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 11:51:21 GMT -5
oh and I dont know what age has to do with this debate. Just because I am younger does NOT mean that I know less or dont understand whats going on. That was an ignorant comment.
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 12:08:21 GMT -5
oh and I dont know what age has to do with this debate. Just because I am younger does NOT mean that I know less or dont understand whats going on. That was an ignorant comment. I'm sure you think so. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 12:12:40 GMT -5
oh and I dont know what age has to do with this debate. Just because I am younger does NOT mean that I know less or dont understand whats going on. That was an ignorant comment. I'm sure you think so. and I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge about running million dollar companies in an economy like this. Guess what.... Without industry there are no jobs which = no money! What a concept. So keep driving our industries further into the ground. |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 12:18:31 GMT -5
and I'm sure you have a lot of knowledge about running million dollar companies in an economy like this. I don't, not really. Although just being related to someone who runs a business doesn't mean you inheritantly know how to run one, either. The vast majority of Americans don't own "million dollar" businesses, and yet their voices have been by and large muted by those who do. That is a problem. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 12:21:25 GMT -5
Well you dont know what it will take to turn the economy around and make companies more prosperous do you? I didn't think so. And you can believe that voices are "muted" all you want. Last time I checked, Americans vote... Not corporations. But on the bright side, if you keep up with your policies, there wont be any businesses to mute the voices!!
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 12:24:48 GMT -5
Well you dont know what it will take to turn the economy around and make companies more prosperous do you? I didn't think so. And you can believe that voices are "muted" all you want. Last time I checked, Americans vote... Not corporations. But on the bright side, if you keep up with your policies, there wont be any businesses to mute the voices!! Alrighty then. America should be run by companies and not by the people. Got it. I think we're done here. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 16, 2008 12:28:35 GMT -5
Well you dont know what it will take to turn the economy around and make companies more prosperous do you? I didn't think so. And you can believe that voices are "muted" all you want. Last time I checked, Americans vote... Not corporations. But on the bright side, if you keep up with your policies, there wont be any businesses to mute the voices!! Alrighty then. America should be run by companies and not by the people. Got it. I think we're done here. You obviously didnt read my post. I cant even argue with you anymore. Your head is so far up your ass. |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 16, 2008 12:30:45 GMT -5
Alrighty then. America should be run by companies and not by the people. Got it. I think we're done here. You obviously didnt read my post. I cant even argue with you anymore. Your head is so far up your ass. You're right. You've got it all figured out. I'm clearly overmatched by a 19 year old kid who still lives with his parents and has never made a mortgage payment in his life. Well played. |
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Post by ahole on Jul 16, 2008 12:32:12 GMT -5
oh and I dont know what age has to do with this debate. Just because I am younger does NOT mean that I know less or dont understand whats going on. That was an ignorant comment. Your age doesn't automatically mean that you know less or don't understand what's going on. Unfortunately since you're so ignorant as to what IS going on, someone made the mistake of excusing your ignorance by citing your young age. I'm sure they will gladly just accept the fact that you are ignorant, which has nothing to do with your age; but you are also young enough that there's still hope. |
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