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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 12:34:01 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. You know what? you are right....let's not do anything about fuel prices... The kids that are supposed to see ANWR won't be able to as they will be born in a Economic Depression, they'll be lucky to eat...but atleast they'll get to see photos of ANWR...atleast the picture of ANWR that Dems paint...hills valleys and mountains |
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Post by dasbow on Aug 1, 2008 12:35:52 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. How do youy reach that conclusion. Maybe it was preserved by the previous generation for us and its supposed to be our land. But suppose you're right - what are you going to say if our kids decide they want to drill - complain that it was really preserved for their kids? |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 12:37:49 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. You know what? you are right....let's not do anything about fuel prices... The kids that are supposed to see ANWR won't be able to as they will be born in a Economic Depression, they'll be lucky to eat...but atleast they'll get to see photos of ANWR...atleast the picture of ANWR that Dems paint...hills valleys and mountains Alternative fuels, we have a lot of years left in oil if we just started developing and using alternative fuels. |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 12:38:30 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. How do youy reach that conclusion. Maybe it was preserved by the previous generation for us and its supposed to be our land. But suppose you're right - what are you going to say if our kids decide they want to drill - complain that it was really preserved for their kids? I get his point...preservation for future generations...which is never ending. Don't be greedy and take it away. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 12:39:14 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. How do youy reach that conclusion. Maybe it was preserved by the previous generation for us and its supposed to be our land. But suppose you're right - what are you going to say if our kids decide they want to drill - complain that it was really preserved for their kids? That land was specifically set aside for ALL future generations, not just ours. |
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Post by dasbow on Aug 1, 2008 12:41:36 GMT -5
How do youy reach that conclusion. Maybe it was preserved by the previous generation for us and its supposed to be our land. But suppose you're right - what are you going to say if our kids decide they want to drill - complain that it was really preserved for their kids? That land was specifically set aside for ALL future generations, not just ours. Ah, yes, I see. Locked away forever, never to be used for anything at anytime. Well, I suppose you could go hiking across a barren, mosquito infested coastal plain if you were so inclined, but no one ever seems so inclined. |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 12:43:03 GMT -5
You know what? you are right....let's not do anything about fuel prices... The kids that are supposed to see ANWR won't be able to as they will be born in a Economic Depression, they'll be lucky to eat...but atleast they'll get to see photos of ANWR...atleast the picture of ANWR that Dems paint...hills valleys and mountains Alternative fuels, we have a lot of years left in oil if we just started developing and using alternative fuels. It should have been done 10-20 years ago....instead they just started to produce ehtanol and realize it's shit. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 12:46:08 GMT -5
That land was specifically set aside for ALL future generations, not just ours. Ah, yes, I see. Locked away forever, never to be used for anything at anytime. Well, I suppose you could go hiking across a barren, mosquito infested coastal plain if you were so inclined, but no one ever seems so inclined. You’re very one-dimensional; you see only what you want to see… |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 12:49:24 GMT -5
Alternative fuels, we have a lot of years left in oil if we just started developing and using alternative fuels. It should have been done 10-20 years ago....instead they just started to produce ehtanol and realize it's shit. What about hydrogen, electric, geothermal, wind, all could be used and developed… |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Aug 1, 2008 12:53:03 GMT -5
Wiener, do you have information to back up this "50 cents per barrel" claim?
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 12:54:24 GMT -5
It should have been done 10-20 years ago....instead they just started to produce ehtanol and realize it's shit. What about hydrogen, electric, geothermal, wind, all could be used and developed… HOWIE'S THOUGHTS.... electrical...right now good for 50-100 mile round trip(vehicle) before charge (i beleive). where do we get our electricity right now? coal? hydrogen...is there a marketable auto that runs on hydrogen? could I afford it? is it safe? geothermal...excellent for heating your house...can't be used for cars wind...provides some electricy for heating/powering house...can charge electric car from it... not very effeciant on still days...can be noisy |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 12:57:52 GMT -5
Fact: One gallon of used motor oil provides the same 2.5 quarts of lubricating oil as 42 gallons of crude oil.
---http://www.epa.gov/epaoswer/hazwaste/usedoil/index.htm
people need to conserve....put better windows in your house, insulate your house, turn the heat down and put on a sweatshirt instead of wearing shorts around the house in Jan. cover up with a blanket.
drive a more fuel effeciant vehicle (i'm guilty). go slower on the interstate. I use to run 80mph on the interstate and now run 65...saves me 1.6mpg...not bad for an old dodge ram.
it's not just alternate fuels or sources of electricty...if we don't use it wisely then we'll never be able to build enough wind generators or solar panels...
i'm off to the word association now as Biff closed the sex thread ;D
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 12:58:01 GMT -5
Wiener, do you have information to back up this "50 cents per barrel" claim? "But the U.S. Energy Information Administration, an independent statistical agency within the Department of Energy, concluded that new oil from ANWR would lower the world price of oil by no more than $1.44 per barrel—and possibly have as little effect as 41 cents per barrel—and would have its largest impact nearly 20 years from now" www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/05/23/arctic-drilling-wouldnt-cool-high-oil-prices.html"would lower oil prices by less than 50 cents a barrel" www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/Two different sources with similar information… |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 13:04:51 GMT -5
What about hydrogen, electric, geothermal, wind, all could be used and developed… HOWIE'S THOUGHTS.... electrical...right now good for 50-100 mile round trip(vehicle) before charge (i beleive). where do we get our electricity right now? coal? hydrogen...is there a marketable auto that runs on hydrogen? could I afford it? is it safe? geothermal...excellent for heating your house...can't be used for cars wind...provides some electricy for heating/powering house...can charge electric car from it... not very effeciant on still days...can be noisy Geothermal, wind, and solar can make the electricity to power a car  |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 13:07:26 GMT -5
HOWIE'S THOUGHTS.... electrical...right now good for 50-100 mile round trip(vehicle) before charge (i beleive). where do we get our electricity right now? coal? hydrogen...is there a marketable auto that runs on hydrogen? could I afford it? is it safe? geothermal...excellent for heating your house...can't be used for cars wind...provides some electricy for heating/powering house...can charge electric car from it... not very effeciant on still days...can be noisy Geothermal, wind, and solar can make the electricity to power a car ok...but how do i fly to see ANWR?....that is if we're not using fossil fuels at all....and ethanol is crap? I can't drive more than 100 miles in my electric car without having to dock at a hotel for the night. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 13:15:01 GMT -5
How often does the average person drive over 100 miles? Why is everyone so concerned about visiting ANWR suddenly? We preserve it for future animal habitats too! Fuuck people are ignorant! The oil their wont mean shit anyways it’s a drop in an effin bucket…
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 13:20:01 GMT -5
How often does the average person drive over 100 miles? Why is everyone so concerned about visiting ANWR suddenly? We preserve it for future animal habitats too! Fuuck people are ignorant! The oil their wont mean shit anyways it’s a drop in an effin bucket… ANWR is apparently important for something if we can't drill there....you said it's for future generations....how will i take my grandkids if i can't drive over 100 miles. What if i want to go to Chicago? I'm more 100 miles from the South Shore train. What if I want to go to Detroit with biff for a Tigers game...i'm screwed. Can't go riding in the dunes...my bike doesn't run on electric anyway. Hell Kalamazoo is a 70mile round trip and I doubt Gander Mountain will let me charge my car. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 13:25:49 GMT -5
Apparently you don’t think beyond tomorrow, they can charge an electric car in 15 minutes with today’s technology; think how far electric cars will be traveling in 40 years. Do you actually think gas powered vehicles will disappear as soon as you buy an electric one? Do you seriously think Biff would go to a baseball game with you?
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 13:26:58 GMT -5
Do you seriously think Biff would go to a baseball game with you?  |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 1, 2008 13:31:17 GMT -5
Do you seriously think Biff would go to a baseball game with you? Don’t worry…he wouldn’t go with me either… |
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Post by Dino on Aug 1, 2008 14:05:06 GMT -5
If you do a google image search for anwar pictures there's a pretty hot woman that comes up and her name is anwar. ;D Just my $0.02  |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 14:09:46 GMT -5
If you do a google image search for anwar pictures there's a pretty hot woman that comes up and her name is anwar. ;D Just my $0.02 now if poopie won't drill there is a bigger gay than i thought ;D  |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 1, 2008 14:18:00 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. Nobodys kids are going to be playing up there. |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 14:19:18 GMT -5
Sellout as in it’s a preserved habitat, PRESERVED for future generations, if you want energy from something protected they need to build a dam over Niagara Falls, or geothermal station in Yellow Stone. That was intended to be our kids land not ours. Nobodys kids are going to be playing up there. it'll make a cool place to ride dirtbikes |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 1, 2008 14:36:02 GMT -5
You know what? you are right....let's not do anything about fuel prices... The kids that are supposed to see ANWR won't be able to as they will be born in a Economic Depression, they'll be lucky to eat...but atleast they'll get to see photos of ANWR...atleast the picture of ANWR that Dems paint...hills valleys and mountains Alternative fuels, we have a lot of years left in oil if we just started developing and using alternative fuels. We need to drill now as a stop gap toward alternative fuels. I read yesterday in some scientific journal web page that scientists are getting alot closer to making water into hydrogen Alot more efficent, somthing about swapping plutonium parts for colbalt parts or some such. this is great but people are really hurting in their pocket books right now. Gas dropped $0.35 a gallon just because Bush dropped the presidential prohibition on drilling in Anwar. Imagine if we actually started drilling. It could drop as low as $2.50 to $3.00 range. Not giving it away but a hell of alot More manageable than 4.50 or 5.00 Look we all know oil is getting harder to come by and we need to get as much as possible out of the ground with as little effect on the environment as possible. Do both fossil fuels and alternative fuels ASAP!! |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 14:43:51 GMT -5
Alternative fuels, we have a lot of years left in oil if we just started developing and using alternative fuels. ....some scientific journal web page .....somthing about swapping plutonium parts for colbalt parts or some such. sounds very scientific or some such |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Aug 1, 2008 14:44:33 GMT -5
Alternative fuels, we have a lot of years left in oil if we just started developing and using alternative fuels. We need to drill now as a stop gap toward alternative fuels. I read yesterday in some scientific journal web page that scientists are getting alot closer to making water into hydrogen Alot more efficent, somthing about swapping plutonium parts for colbalt parts or some such. this is great but people are really hurting in their pocket books right now. Gas dropped $0.35 a gallon just because Bush dropped the presidential prohibition on drilling in Anwar. Imagine if we actually started drilling. It could drop as low as $2.50 to $3.00 range. Not giving it away but a hell of alot More manageable than 4.50 or 5.00 Look we all know oil is getting harder to come by and we need to get as much as possible out of the ground with as little effect on the environment as possible. Do both fossil fuels and alternative fuels ASAP!! [drop] (Homer) You're too stupid to tell a story[/drop] |
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Post by potthole on Aug 1, 2008 16:48:30 GMT -5
What ever happened to that area in the Dakotas (I forget if it was North or South) that had expansive fields of some "oil-shale" or something like that?
I remember seeing something about it awhile ago, and some article mentioned that the technology needed to be able to get the oil out of the rock was almost to the point it could be taken bigtime. I can't recall any specific numbers, but some projections were that if drilled, the area could give a huge boost to domestic oil production.
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 1, 2008 17:49:04 GMT -5
We need to drill now as a stop gap toward alternative fuels. I read yesterday in some scientific journal web page that scientists are getting alot closer to making water into hydrogen Alot more efficient, something about swapping plutonium parts for cobalt parts or some such. this is great but people are really hurting in their pocket books right now. Gas dropped $0.35 a gallon just because Bush dropped the presidential prohibition on drilling in Anwar. Imagine if we actually started drilling. It could drop as low as $2.50 to $3.00 range. Not giving it away but a hell of alot More manageable than 4.50 or 5.00 Look we all know oil is getting harder to come by and we need to get as much as possible out of the ground with as little effect on the environment as possible. Do both fossil fuels and alternative fuels ASAP!! [drop] (Homer) You're too stupid to tell a story[/drop] Hey howie, guess what, just because you and I have opinions that are on opposite sides of the of the political spectrum doesn't mean I think your stupid. To the contrary, you sound highly intellegent and you seem to have a awsome sense of humor. You have the right to think of me anyway you want. I'm sorry you don't like my opinions but hey, you can't please everybody. If you read my posts you will note that I have never called anyone on this post including yourself stupid. Kindly keep those Opinions to yourself. You are funny as hell and I highly enjoy your non-poiltical posts. And as far as your political posts go, just because I don't agree with them dosn't mean that they are not well thought out. I just enjoy the debate. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 2, 2008 9:34:13 GMT -5
....some scientific journal web page .....somthing about swapping plutonium parts for colbalt parts or some such. sounds very scientific or some such Just in case your intrested the artical is in Science News "Small Steps Tward Big Energy Gains" by David Castelvecchi, July 31,2008 Also see Science Daily " 'Major Discovery' Primed to Unleash Solar Revolution, Scientists Mimic Essence of Plants' Energy Storage System", Aug 1,2008 |
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