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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Oct 19, 2011 13:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by zdunklee on Oct 19, 2011 14:02:46 GMT -5
That's NOT a pit bull...all terriers are bully breeds and any one of them could do that without proper care. The Staffordshire is far more dangerous however because they are about 10-15lbs bigger and much stronger than a pit. Our boxer/lab mix gets called a pit bull all the time because most people are idiots and don't know the difference. (We do have a pit mix as well, but he looks like a lab so no one could ever even know without us saying something) Take this for example: www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.htmlGood Luck, let me know how many tries it takes you to find the real pit. I think it took me 3 or 4 the first time I did it.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Oct 19, 2011 14:24:15 GMT -5
When I originally read the story, it said "pitbull". They've updated it in the interim.
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Post by zdunklee on Oct 19, 2011 14:38:24 GMT -5
Makes sense...see my previous post about most people can't tell a pit bull when they see one.
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Post by Sunshyne on Oct 20, 2011 23:28:14 GMT -5
not to sidetrack the thread, but did anyone else notice that in the written article they called the kid a boy and then they call its a girl...?
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Post by Queenie on Oct 21, 2011 9:22:45 GMT -5
Yeah, they flip flopped more than once on it too.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Nov 7, 2011 14:23:11 GMT -5
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Post by zdunklee on Nov 8, 2011 7:38:01 GMT -5
While pits do cause the most fatal attacks each year, they are nowhere near the top in total number of bites (Labs generally lead that list) and the CDC even states that all breeds are equally likely to bite a human. Generally most bites are the fault of adults not controlling their children and allowing them to pet or approach strange dogs (Children 5-9 make up around 70% of all bite victims).
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Nov 8, 2011 8:13:15 GMT -5
While that may be true (I don't know), a lab cannot do the damage that a pitbull can.
As you said, "generally most bites are the fault of adults not controlling their children" however, pitbulls attack. This most recent incident, and the recent one as well, resulted in the dog being shot because it attacked police officers.
Name another breed that had to be recently shot because it attacked officers.
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Post by zdunklee on Nov 8, 2011 13:00:29 GMT -5
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Post by Queenie on Nov 8, 2011 13:23:43 GMT -5
Biff, you really must be bored today . . .
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Nov 8, 2011 13:49:40 GMT -5
Okay, the first two stories are legitimate. The others, well okay, if you insist..... A "boxer-type" dog. No specific mention of the breed and the photo indicates that that is not a boxer. A 6-week old puppy? A lab mix. What kind of mix? And let's face it, a lab's jaw does not have the torque that a pitbull has. To argue otherwise would be ridiculous. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which Dogs Have the Most Powerful BFQ? * The dog breed with the most powerful BFQ is the Rottweiler, followed closely by the German Shepherd and the Pit Bull. Not surprisingly, these dog breeds are also listed on the Most Likely To Bite list by the CDC. Of course, bite force is not necessarily an indicator of temperament, but due to the conditions that breeds like these, particularly Pit Bulls, are often raised in, they are statistically most likely to attack a human being and, unfortunately, most likely to do the most damage.Read more: Which Dog Has the Most Powerful Bite? | eHow.com www.ehow.com/about_5378975_dog-powerful-bite.html#ixzz1d8nQlEml
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Nov 8, 2011 13:50:24 GMT -5
Biff, you really must be bored today . . . You mean Zach.
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Post by zdunklee on Nov 8, 2011 19:48:34 GMT -5
Okay, the first two stories are legitimate. The others, well okay, if you insist..... A "boxer-type" dog. No specific mention of the breed and the photo indicates that that is not a boxer. A 6-week old puppy? A lab mix. What kind of mix? And let's face it, a lab's jaw does not have the torque that a pitbull has. To argue otherwise would be ridiculous. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which Dogs Have the Most Powerful BFQ? * The dog breed with the most powerful BFQ is the Rottweiler, followed closely by the German Shepherd and the Pit Bull. Not surprisingly, these dog breeds are also listed on the Most Likely To Bite list by the CDC. Of course, bite force is not necessarily an indicator of temperament, but due to the conditions that breeds like these, particularly Pit Bulls, are often raised in, they are statistically most likely to attack a human being and, unfortunately, most likely to do the most damage.Read more: Which Dog Has the Most Powerful Bite? | eHow.com www.ehow.com/about_5378975_dog-powerful-bite.html#ixzz1d8nQlEmlLab puppies are the ones that generally do the most killing when it comes to Labs. Like I said the CDC says ALL breeds are equally likely to bite (I'd trust them over ehow.com any day), but the ones with the high BFQ can and do kill easily. However to all dogs have plenty of bite power to kill you even the little ones if they want it enough...just look at the little one that ate that guys toe. We have a lab/pit and lab/boxer mix and both of them would kill if it came down to defending us for sure....but then again so would the Lab/collie we have...
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Post by zdunklee on Nov 9, 2011 1:56:12 GMT -5
Okay, the first two stories are legitimate. The others, well okay, if you insist..... A "boxer-type" dog. No specific mention of the breed and the photo indicates that that is not a boxer. A 6-week old puppy? A lab mix. What kind of mix? And let's face it, a lab's jaw does not have the torque that a pitbull has. To argue otherwise would be ridiculous. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which Dogs Have the Most Powerful BFQ? * The dog breed with the most powerful BFQ is the Rottweiler, followed closely by the German Shepherd and the Pit Bull. Not surprisingly, these dog breeds are also listed on the Most Likely To Bite list by the CDC. Of course, bite force is not necessarily an indicator of temperament, but due to the conditions that breeds like these, particularly Pit Bulls, are often raised in, they are statistically most likely to attack a human being and, unfortunately, most likely to do the most damage.Read more: Which Dog Has the Most Powerful Bite? | eHow.com www.ehow.com/about_5378975_dog-powerful-bite.html#ixzz1d8nQlEmlOh and I forgot to mention I love how you chose not to highlight the important part about it being due to the conditions they are often raised in (i.e. the owners being idiots, treating them poorly, training them as fighting dogs, etc) Or this part of the same article: Dangerous Dog Implications Whenever a dog attacks and seriously injures a person it usually ends up being reported by the media. Unfortunately incidents like these, which often occur as a result of mistreatment of the dog involved, have gone a long way to permanently prejudice many people against certain dog breeds, particularly Pit Bulls. Many people find that it is very difficult to rent an apartment, even in complexes where pets are allowed, if they own a Rottweiler, a Pit Bull or a German Shepherd Or this: Even if a dog has a predisposition toward viciousness based on its breed, there is no reason why it can't be a loyal, loving, safe and friendly companion.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Nov 9, 2011 8:14:37 GMT -5
The thing about that is, the environment these breeds are raised in really reflects in that the dogs have to be trained to not act aggressively. It's not that negative environments create the bad stigma of these dogs, the dogs have to be trained to not behave in that manner.
Still, regardless, the dogs can do great damage and are naturally aggressive due to their being bred as a fighting dog.
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Post by zdunklee on Nov 9, 2011 10:23:32 GMT -5
The thing about that is, the environment these breeds are raised in really reflects in that the dogs have to be trained to not act aggressively. It's not that negative environments create the bad stigma of these dogs, the dogs have to be trained to not behave in that manner. Still, regardless, the dogs can do great damage and are naturally aggressive due to their being bred as a fighting dog. Yes, they are naturally more aggressive due to how they were originally bred, but any dog will naturally be aggressive if they aren't treated right. My aunt and uncle have a poodle who acts aggressively towards any guy in a hat because it was abused by a guy who wore hats. Not having the proper care will cause any dog to be aggressive. Because of pit bulls being known as dangerous they are cheap or free to get and so people who can't afford proper care for them are more likely to own them as pets. Even the American Veterinary Medical Association takes the position that if you ban pit bulls it just means the bad owners are going to ruin another breeds reputation because they will just own something else they don't care for.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Nov 9, 2011 10:41:31 GMT -5
Which cements my position that the breed needs to be trained to not be aggressive. You might be right that the scoundrels will find another breed to corrupt, but is that justification for continuing with the status quo?
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Post by zdunklee on Nov 9, 2011 13:02:41 GMT -5
No it is not, I have seen pits that act just like labs do, and I know the owners didn't do anything different with them than they did with their other dog. Yes some pits do just turn on people, but that is much more rare than pits that were trained to fight or treated poorly turning on people.
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Post by Rebel on Nov 9, 2011 21:39:20 GMT -5
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