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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 24, 2008 11:34:20 GMT -5
define marriage for me
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 24, 2008 17:40:37 GMT -5
A change in your tax status. |
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Post by ratrad on Jul 25, 2008 8:20:24 GMT -5
I like how elrushbo likes to think he is asking questions that will back us into corners. Every thread. Seriously..............Man, I'm bored.
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 31, 2008 15:13:46 GMT -5
If it becomes legal for a man to marry another man, then it should also be legal for a man to marry a horse, a tree, a house, etc. That was the same justification used to prevent whites and blacks from marrying each other, just so you know. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 31, 2008 15:15:26 GMT -5
If it becomes legal for a man to marry another man, then it should also be legal for a man to marry a horse, a tree, a house, etc. That was the same justification used to prevent whites and blacks from marrying each other, just so you know. Blacks can marry?   |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 31, 2008 15:15:54 GMT -5
If it becomes legal for a man to marry another man, then it should also be legal for a man to marry a horse, a tree, a house, etc. That was the same justification used to prevent whites and blacks from marrying each other, just so you know. Since whites and blacks can be both male and female, it's hardly the same argument. |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 31, 2008 16:44:26 GMT -5
That was the same justification used to prevent whites and blacks from marrying each other, just so you know. Since whites and blacks can be both male and female, it's hardly the same argument. So gays are only one gender? |
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Post by Fistor on Jul 31, 2008 19:57:18 GMT -5
Since whites and blacks can be both male and female, it's hardly the same argument. So gays are only one gender? Usually, the one's that want to be married to each other. |
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Post by almostmainer on Aug 26, 2008 11:26:44 GMT -5
I'm also Right thinking-Conservative. I vote (R), but I hate our current crop. Their to liberal with the spending of our money. I think if liberals could take the emotion out of every issue it'd do them some good. Just 'cause it feels good doesn't mean it is. Government wasn't put here to take care of you. Also, if you talk to anyone that WORKS in the health care field, as my wife does, they'll tell you Universal Health care won't work. 30 million illegals, who pays for them? Oh and unions are sending all the jobs over seas not "evil rich people". That and americans' ALWAYS want the best deal for the lest price.
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Post by almostmainer on Aug 26, 2008 11:34:18 GMT -5
A religious ceremony that should not be government sanctioned. Let the churches deal with gay marriage. Then there would be none. Give gays there civil unions, hell make everyones' a civil union. Then what would gays say? The only reason they want it called "marriage" is so they can feel "normal". I'm sorry being gay is not "normal". I have gay friends, and I don't think their bad people. Their just not normal. Maybe if the gay issue wasn't shoved in our faces so much there wouldn't be a backlash. When gay groups want to help 2nd graders figure out if they want to be a boy or a girl, decide if their gay,thats a problem. |
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Post by Bjorn Again on Aug 26, 2008 12:29:08 GMT -5
A religious ceremony that should not be government sanctioned. Let the churches deal with gay marriage. Then there would be none. Give gays there civil unions, hell make everyones' a civil union. Then what would gays say? The only reason they want it called "marriage" is so they can feel "normal". I'm sorry being gay is not "normal". I have gay friends, and I don't think their bad people. Their just not normal. Maybe if the gay issue wasn't shoved in our faces so much there wouldn't be a backlash. When gay groups want to help 2nd graders figure out if they want to be a boy or a girl, decide if their gay,thats a problem. Actually there are a lot of gay actions demonstrated by animals, who have much less conscious thought than humans, so it's kind of just innate in living beings. I don't think gays want to get married to feel normal, I could have went my whole life without getting married and I would have felt normal still. I think a large part of it is fact that they're being told who they can and can't love. Love isn't really an emotion that can be controlled. We only get one chance at life, I think it's kind of silly to hold back and be unhappy just because someone doesn't like such a harmless action. The gay issue has to be shoved in our faces before it's going to be accepted. Once the majority accepts gays, then it will die down like racism did. |
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Post by landmammaldolphin on Aug 26, 2008 12:47:03 GMT -5
I tend to be a centrist with leftward leanings. On the gay marriage issue, it will change the lives of heterosexual couples how if gay people are allowed to marry? Not one iota, that's how. One day we will view the debate of whether or not Gays can marry, in the same light as women's suffrage and segregation. Ultimately discrimation in this country has been thwarted and it will be in this case as well.
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Post by dingdongyo on Aug 26, 2008 12:53:36 GMT -5
if taxes weren't involved, would this even be an issue? i don't want someone marrying their house just to get free money. take that away, and i don't care. i'm just not coming over, because i'm not into d.p.
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Post by fearsome30 on Aug 26, 2008 16:13:43 GMT -5
Why the hell are gay people arguing for the right to be married? Don't they realize the blessing that comes from not being able to make such a terrible and financially devastating mistake? Wake up gay people, choose the smart route and just ask for the right to put your partner on your Tax return or healthcare plan. Seriously, There is more bad about marriage then there is good. I say let them do it. That'll teach them a lesson on how to be careful what you ask for, cause you might actually get it.  |
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Post by providencecrow on Aug 26, 2008 16:42:13 GMT -5
if taxes weren't involved, would this even be an issue? i don't want someone marrying their house just to get free money. take that away, and i don't care. i'm just not coming over, because i'm not into d.p. It might be an issue, but i have a strong feeling that it would be substantially less of one. That is where the true inequality comes in between gays and straights, straight people can change their tax status with a ceremony, but gays cannot even with the same ceremony. Therefore it is separate and NOT equal in this case. The government should ALWAYS view us as individuals, there is no reason anything should change because i choose to marry someone or not. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 26, 2008 18:29:33 GMT -5
if taxes weren't involved, would this even be an issue? i don't want someone marrying their house just to get free money. take that away, and i don't care. i'm just not coming over, because i'm not into d.p. It might be an issue, but i have a strong feeling that it would be substantially less of one. That is where the true inequality comes in between gays and straights, straight people can change their tax status with a ceremony, but gays cannot even with the same ceremony. Therefore it is separate and NOT equal in this case. The government should ALWAYS view us as individuals, there is no reason anything should change because i choose to marry someone or not. Just because a man and a women get married doesn't mean the story ends right there. Normally there are children involved. And children are VERY expensive. As an aside, the voting block of Married with Children group is pretty substantial and politicians love to make this group happy. Enter the "Earned Income" tax credit, what is it up to, a thousand bucks a kid? Unless they can come up with "Cloning made Easy" kit, or get alot more liberal about adoptions, I can't see two homosexual people get this tax credit, married or not. |
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Post by dingdongyo on Aug 26, 2008 22:10:25 GMT -5
Just because a man and a women get married doesn't mean the story ends right there. Normally there are children involved. And children are VERY expensive. As an aside, the voting block of Married with Children group is pretty substantial and politicians love to make this group happy. Enter the "Earned Income" tax credit, what is it up to, a thousand bucks a kid? Unless they can come up with "Cloning made Easy" kit, or get alot more liberal about adoptions, I can't see two homosexual people get this tax credit, married or not. gay people can't adopt? some have kids from previous relationships. straight people have kids outside of marriage all the time. so you're saying yes, it is all about money? |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 27, 2008 3:44:40 GMT -5
No, not at all, just pointing out that there are differences, and since they are in the slim minority there block voting power is vastly diminished.
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Post by providencecrow on Aug 27, 2008 16:48:37 GMT -5
No, not at all, just pointing out that there are differences, and since they are in the slim minority there block voting power is vastly diminished. While i agree there is the potential for income and spending to be quite different between gay people and straight people, the government should not be adjusting accordingly in any way. i stand by my original statement. The government should always view people as individuals, and it should make no difference if i am married, not married, have kids, do not have kids, etc... By making any distinction they are clearly setting it up for double standards, which goes back to the famous "All men are created equal" statement. If i pay more or less taxes than you do because of my marital status, regardless of whether you are straight, gay, bisexual, half man half dog (aka Mog), etc... then it is not equal. The tax system is inherently not equal anyway, if they are going to give us the old screw job with an income tax, it should be a flat percentage, not this income bracket BS. Just because i make more money than someone else, if the percentage is the same inherently i will be paying more, but instead i am paying more, and then more because the percentage changed because i just got a raise that equals out to 10 cents more an hour, but i got pushed into a new bracket. /end rant |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 27, 2008 21:05:17 GMT -5
No, not at all, just pointing out that there are differences, and since they are in the slim minority there block voting power is vastly diminished. While i agree there is the potential for income and spending to be quite different between gay people and straight people, the government should not be adjusting accordingly in any way. i stand by my original statement. The government should always view people as individuals, and it should make no difference if i am married, not married, have kids, do not have kids, etc... By making any distinction they are clearly setting it up for double standards, which goes back to the famous "All men are created equal" statement. If i pay more or less taxes than you do because of my marital status, regardless of whether you are straight, gay, bisexual, half man half dog (aka Mog), etc... then it is not equal. The tax system is inherently not equal anyway, if they are going to give us the old screw job with an income tax, it should be a flat percentage, not this income bracket BS. Just because i make more money than someone else, if the percentage is the same inherently i will be paying more, but instead i am paying more, and then more because the percentage changed because i just got a raise that equals out to 10 cents more an hour, but i got pushed into a new bracket. /end rant In principal, I agree with you totally Crow, its just that there are always politics involved. And the politics we're talking about here is basically "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" or conversely "If you don't support me, I won't support you" and the tax code, the way they re-write it each year is the only real way that politicians can either reward their constituency's or punish their opponents. Fair or not thats the reality. Personally, this whole issue of Social Security is really the same type of issue only in reverse. Let me explain. Since gay marriage rights people are in such a minority, they can't get much of anything done as a group. Conversely the Social Security retirement bunch have such a large majority and have gotten there way for so many years, that its almost impossible for anybody to get up enough political balls to fix the system. i.e. too much money going out and not enough coming in. This is also the root reason why the gay rights crowd are frustrated and feel they have to be "in your face" and why the old folks quietly go about their business. |
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Post by lokizilla on Sept 8, 2008 9:39:23 GMT -5
I'm more conservative than liberal, so I do classify myself as a Conservative. I've been registered as a Democrat, and I've been registered as a Republican. Unfortunately, there's not really a party that I fall completely in line with. I: ~Rarely curse ~Am pro-life ~Am a Christian ~Have no problem with gay people, they can do what they want, I just don't think they need to be "married". I'm even in favor of civil unions, just don't call it marriage. ~Am a proud supporter of the 2nd Amendment ~Am pro-military ~Support President Bush and my brothers/sisters in their current missions. ~Believe marijuana should be legalized, because prohibition has NEVER worked (not a very conservative position at all, is it?) ~Believe in a smaller government, with lower taxes for ALL Americans ~Am horrified at the thought of socialized healthcare ~Am in favor of zero tolerance when it comes to illegal immigration. If you want to come here, awesome. But do it illegally or we're kicking you out and you'll NEVER make it here again. I agree with you on everything but the drug thing. Everyone at work was surprised when they found out that I was conservative.....They thought I was so liberal. I was shocked, my husband, and close friends said, "They don't know you very well." |
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