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Post by ratrad on Jul 25, 2008 10:53:49 GMT -5
Bill Clinton left office with the highest approval rating of any president since World War II, of 65%. Why were people so happy with such an awful president? For the same reason that Ashlee Simpson sold so many recordings? I kid of course Which is why more people vote for American Idol than the next president. Full circle. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 25, 2008 10:55:03 GMT -5
Bill Clinton left office with the highest approval rating of any president since World War II, of 65%. Why were people so happy with such an awful president? For the same reason that Ashlee Simpson sold so many recordings? I kid of course The way they dance on SNL? |
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Post by ratrad on Jul 25, 2008 11:02:32 GMT -5
For the same reason that Ashlee Simpson sold so many recordings? I kid of course The way they dance on SNL? Honestly though, it is because he is very middle of the road and most can relate to those politics. NOT ME BWAAHAHAHHAHAHA. |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 25, 2008 17:14:42 GMT -5
Name the last republican president we had that shrunk the government? Don't worry, i'll wait. Name the last republican president that made the government larger? And name a democratic president that hasn't enlargened it. My point is that it doesn't matter, if you want smaller government you CANNOT vote either republican OR democrat. They both want large government. Name the last republican president that made the government larger: George W. Bush. Name the last republican president that made the government larger that isnt still currently in office: George H.W. Bush Name the last republican president that made the government larger that isnt a Bush?: Ronald Reagan And for the record, technically Reagan didn't willingly grow the government but did so to appease the Democratic controlled Congress so that his tax cuts would go through. No matter what the reason is, he still did it. Personally I would rather forget a tax cut and have our government substantially shrunk, at my own expense mind you. Once we have made all the cutbacks we need, then naturally taxes can be lowered because we need to spend less. Logic is great isnt it? Bill Clinton left office with the highest approval rating of any president since World War II, of 65%. Why were people so happy with such an awful president? 2 reasons in my opinion: the first is that hes terribly charismatic, and you can't take that away from the guy. The second would be he is basically the best of the totally garbage bunch that have been running this country. To make an analogy: Charles Manson was no Hitler. |
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Post by yewt on Jul 25, 2008 19:03:27 GMT -5
For the same reason that Ashlee Simpson sold so many recordings? I kid of course Which is why more people vote for American Idol than the next president. Full circle. Teenage Girls... |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 30, 2008 14:12:55 GMT -5
Here is some information from www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm This is an unbiased source with information on most politicians. Following information is how Barack voted, or personal quotes of his. My comments are in quotations. Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007) -"wants to reduce debt, but votes no on a bill to pay down federal debt?" Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005) -"Voted no on trying to reduce government spending. Would've been 40B less in debt" Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006) -"This is self explanatory" Wrote 2006 law stabilizing Congo with $52M. (Oct 2007) -"Dosen't agree with stabilizing Iraq, but wants to stabilize Congo?" "Prayer can't prevent disasters; good policy can handle them". (Aug 2007) -"He calls himself a Christian but dosent believe prayer can prevent disasters?" 2004: Used state money for seemingly political mailing. (Aug 2007) -"Example of Barack wasting government money." Money is the original sin in politics and I am not sinless. (Nov 2007) -"Wow" Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008) -"Contradictory. Respect the right to bear arms, but you can ban guns?" Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998) -"Ban semi-automatics? That makes no sense, automatics maybe." FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008) -"Flip-flop. Broken political promise" Health plan: not enough resources for illegal immigrants. (Jan 2008) -"They are ILLEGAL immigrants, they don't pay into the system, they should not reap the benefits of the system" Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) -"Voted no on declaring English as the official language?" FactCheck: Ranked most liberal in Senate, based on 99 votes. (Feb 2008) I'm not anti-democrat. I agree with few things that the democrats are for. I am very anti-obama. Take what you want from this post, but I think its an eye opener |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 30, 2008 14:25:52 GMT -5
Here is some information from www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm This is an unbiased source with information on most politicians. Following information is how Barack voted, or personal quotes of his. My comments are in quotations. Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007) -"wants to reduce debt, but votes no on a bill to pay down federal debt?" Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005) -"Voted no on trying to reduce government spending. Would've been 40B less in debt" Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006) -"This is self explanatory" Wrote 2006 law stabilizing Congo with $52M. (Oct 2007) -"Dosen't agree with stabilizing Iraq, but wants to stabilize Congo?" "Prayer can't prevent disasters; good policy can handle them". (Aug 2007) -"He calls himself a Christian but dosent believe prayer can prevent disasters?" 2004: Used state money for seemingly political mailing. (Aug 2007) -"Example of Barack wasting government money." Money is the original sin in politics and I am not sinless. (Nov 2007) -"Wow" Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008) -"Contradictory. Respect the right to bear arms, but you can ban guns?" Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998) -"Ban semi-automatics? That makes no sense, automatics maybe." FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008) -"Flip-flop. Broken political promise" Health plan: not enough resources for illegal immigrants. (Jan 2008) -"They are ILLEGAL immigrants, they don't pay into the system, they should not reap the benefits of the system" Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) -"Voted no on declaring English as the official language?" FactCheck: Ranked most liberal in Senate, based on 99 votes. (Feb 2008) I'm not anti-democrat. I agree with few things that the democrats are for. I am very anti-obama. Take what you want from this post, but I think its an eye opener I don’t consider myself a democrat and also don’t have time to go through this individually, but I will say some of that information is old (2005). And I agree with some things like this: “Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008) -"Contradictory, Respect the right to bear arms, but you can ban guns?"” …Detroit and Chicago shouldn’t have the same gun laws as rural Van Buren county. “Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998) -"Ban semi-automatics? That makes no sense, automatics maybe."” Automatic weapons are already banned in most of the the U.S., just saying some of this needs clarification. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 30, 2008 14:28:51 GMT -5
i'm not the one running for office. I'm putting a lot of research into my vote, and I'm just putting it out there for other people to see too
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Post by ratrad on Jul 30, 2008 14:34:44 GMT -5
i'm not the one running for office. I'm putting a lot of research into my vote, and I'm just putting it out there for other people to see too Are you also looking that far into McCain's record? Do you know what his stances were when he ran for Prez in 2004? Are getting information from sources that are not connected to McCain's campaign, Fox, Rush or any horribly slanted publication or website? Finally, when looking at Obama's (and McCain?) record, are thinking about whats best for the nation and not whats best for you? |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 30, 2008 15:33:10 GMT -5
i'm not the one running for office. I'm putting a lot of research into my vote, and I'm just putting it out there for other people to see too Are you also looking that far into McCain's record? Do you know what his stances were when he ran for Prez in 2004? Are getting information from sources that are not connected to McCain's campaign, Fox, Rush or any horribly slanted publication or website? Finally, when looking at Obama's (and McCain?) record, are thinking about whats best for the nation and not whats best for you? You can have all the facts in the world right in front of your face, and you still keep your eyes closed. Yes I did do as much research into McCain's record on the same unbiased site. I care about my vote, and thats why i'm voting McCain. Obama is a scumbag who couldn't run his way out of a paper bag, let alone a country |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 30, 2008 15:39:34 GMT -5
Are you also looking that far into McCain's record? Do you know what his stances were when he ran for Prez in 2004? Are getting information from sources that are not connected to McCain's campaign, Fox, Rush or any horribly slanted publication or website? Finally, when looking at Obama's (and McCain?) record, are thinking about whats best for the nation and not whats best for you? You can have all the facts in the world right in front of your face, and you still keep your eyes closed. Yes I did do as much research into McCain's record on the same unbiased site. I care about my vote, and thats why i'm voting McCain. Obama is a scumbag who couldn't run his way out of a paper bag, let alone a country Easy hot rod take an effin breath! |
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Post by Queenie on Jul 30, 2008 15:46:33 GMT -5
Are you three having fun today with this and the other "touchy" thread?
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 30, 2008 15:47:53 GMT -5
Are you three having fun today with this and the other "touchy" thread?  |
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Post by Queenie on Jul 30, 2008 16:10:04 GMT -5
Are you three having fun today with this and the other "touchy" thread? It's been quite entertaining watching it!!  (Yep stole it from Biff "Darn Tootin" Mayhem) |
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Post by ratrad on Jul 30, 2008 19:20:40 GMT -5
Are you also looking that far into McCain's record? Do you know what his stances were when he ran for Prez in 2004? Are getting information from sources that are not connected to McCain's campaign, Fox, Rush or any horribly slanted publication or website? Finally, when looking at Obama's (and McCain?) record, are thinking about whats best for the nation and not whats best for you? You can have all the facts in the world right in front of your face, and you still keep your eyes closed. Yes I did do as much research into McCain's record on the same unbiased site. I care about my vote, and thats why i'm voting McCain. Obama is a scumbag who couldn't run his way out of a paper bag, let alone a country You didn't answer my questions little angry guy. |
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Post by m00t on Jul 30, 2008 20:28:13 GMT -5
Here is some information from www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm This is an unbiased source with information on most politicians. Following information is how Barack voted, or personal quotes of his. My comments are in quotations. Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007) -"wants to reduce debt, but votes no on a bill to pay down federal debt?" Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005) -"Voted no on trying to reduce government spending. Would've been 40B less in debt" Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006) -"This is self explanatory" Wrote 2006 law stabilizing Congo with $52M. (Oct 2007) -"Dosen't agree with stabilizing Iraq, but wants to stabilize Congo?" "Prayer can't prevent disasters; good policy can handle them". (Aug 2007) -"He calls himself a Christian but dosent believe prayer can prevent disasters?" 2004: Used state money for seemingly political mailing. (Aug 2007) -"Example of Barack wasting government money." Money is the original sin in politics and I am not sinless. (Nov 2007) -"Wow" Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008) -"Contradictory. Respect the right to bear arms, but you can ban guns?" Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998) -"Ban semi-automatics? That makes no sense, automatics maybe." FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008) -"Flip-flop. Broken political promise" Health plan: not enough resources for illegal immigrants. (Jan 2008) -"They are ILLEGAL immigrants, they don't pay into the system, they should not reap the benefits of the system" Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007) -"Voted no on declaring English as the official language?" FactCheck: Ranked most liberal in Senate, based on 99 votes. (Feb 2008) I'm not anti-democrat. I agree with few things that the democrats are for. I am very anti-obama. Take what you want from this post, but I think its an eye opener First of all, none of these have any or sufficient information on the secondary effects of the bills in question. Now then, down to business: Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007) "Where does the money to do so come from?" Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. "Hmm, maybe we needed that $40B more where it was. Again, where would this money be coming from?" Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006) "Flag desecration shouldn't really mean much, I mean, it's them expressing how they feel for whatever reason they feel nessecary. Unless they wrap a burning flag around someone, I could care less" Wrote 2006 law stabilizing Congo with $52M. (Oct 2007) "This is questionable, but it's in Africa, not the Middle East. The difference in culture might play a bigger role in stabilizing such a place." "Prayer can't prevent disasters; good policy can handle them". (Aug 2007) "The ridiculousness that prayer can prevent a hurricane from hitting land is laughable. It's called weather. Learn you some. There is really nothing wrong here." 2004: Used state money for seemingly political mailing. (Aug 2007) "Well, what the hell does that mean? What, did he buy a stamp for a letter he was sending to the speaker of the House with government money? OH WOW, HE WASTED $.40!!!" Money is the original sin in politics and I am not sinless. (Nov 2007) "Hey, at least he admits it." (SPOILERS: Every politician pulls this crap off) Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. "Well, that's kinda half good/half bad any way you look at it. That means local governments decide gun bans, right? Well, limited freedom, yes, but it's only within city limits, and you don't need much to protect yourself in your home unless it's a mansion. Then you can probably afford guards." Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998) "I don't think this made much sense, but you don't really need a semi-auto for home/personal defense, a revolver should be more than enough. Especially since most modern revolvers are double-action, there's almost no difference between that and a semi-auto. Are speed-loaders still legal/accessible? But I do like the feel of a semi-auto on a shooting range." FactCheck: Promised to repeal Patriot Act, then voted for it. (Jan 2008) "Got me there, fella." Health plan: not enough resources for illegal immigrants. (Jan 2008) "Ruh-roh, Raggy! Yeh, this makes no sense either. Beggars can't be choosers." So yeah, that's my rebuttal. And a bit of lack thereof. The only reason I prefer Obama is because he doesn't seem like your usual politician. He didn't have a typical upbringing for a politician either, maybe that has something to do with it. Who knows? He's probably gonna win because most Americans are tired of Republican traits. |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 30, 2008 22:33:25 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that $52 million is chump change compared with the $1 trillion we're projected to spend in Iraq. Even with what we have spent, if we can stabilize Iraq tomorrow for just $52 million more, then Obama would be a fool not to vote for it. In terms of the total federal budget, our government spent $1.9 trillion total. To put it in perspective, that 52 million is .002% of the total federal expeditures for the year.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 31, 2008 6:49:26 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that $52 million is chump change compared with the $1 trillion we're projected to spend in Iraq. Even with what we have spent, if we can stabilize Iraq tomorrow for just $52 million more, then Obama would be a fool not to vote for it. In terms of the total federal budget, our government spent $1.9 trillion total. To put it in perspective, that 52 million is .002% of the total federal expeditures for the year. I'm obviously not going to agree with you on Iraq, but did you read the rest of them? |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 31, 2008 11:12:41 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that $52 million is chump change compared with the $1 trillion we're projected to spend in Iraq. Even with what we have spent, if we can stabilize Iraq tomorrow for just $52 million more, then Obama would be a fool not to vote for it. In terms of the total federal budget, our government spent $1.9 trillion total. To put it in perspective, that 52 million is .002% of the total federal expeditures for the year. I'm obviously not going to agree with you on Iraq, but did you read the rest of them? That article from the New York Times discusses several estimates from economists that include a projection of $1 trillion for Iraq. All I said is that we're projected to spend $1 trillion in Iraq, which we are, so why do you disagree? |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 31, 2008 12:44:03 GMT -5
I'm saying I disagree on the war, because I believe we should be there. I'm not doubting that its going to cost that much. I'm just asking if you read the rest of the information on my post because there is a lot of stuff in there that makes Obama look pretty bad.
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Post by speedbump on Jul 31, 2008 12:48:37 GMT -5
I'm saying I disagree on the war, because I believe we should be there. I'm not doubting that its going to cost that much. I'm just asking if you read the rest of the information on my post because there is a lot of stuff in there that makes Obama look pretty bad. They make him look bad in YOUR opinion. Things like flag burning, English as the national language, and gun control are matters of opinion. How you or I interpret the 1st and 2nd amendment is different. |
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Post by dasbow on Jul 31, 2008 12:57:37 GMT -5
I'm saying I disagree on the war, because I believe we should be there. I'm not doubting that its going to cost that much. I'm just asking if you read the rest of the information on my post because there is a lot of stuff in there that makes Obama look pretty bad. They make him look bad in YOUR opinion. Things like flag burning, English as the national language, and gun control are matters of opinion. How you or I interpret the 1st and 2nd amendment is different. How Obama interprets the 2nd Amendment and how Obama interprets the 2nd Amendment are different. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 31, 2008 13:01:59 GMT -5
They make him look bad in YOUR opinion. Things like flag burning, English as the national language, and gun control are matters of opinion. How you or I interpret the 1st and 2nd amendment is different. How Obama interprets the 2nd Amendment and how Obama interprets the 2nd Amendment are different. I doubt that. |
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Post by dasbow on Jul 31, 2008 13:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 31, 2008 13:36:28 GMT -5
how about the patriot act. Obama promised to repeal it, then voted for it. Or how Obama was ranked most liberal by 99/100 votes. If anything we need a moderate, not a radical. We need Reagan type economics to bring prosperity back
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 31, 2008 13:49:54 GMT -5
how about the patriot act. Obama promised to repeal it, then voted for it. Or how Obama was ranked most liberal by 99/100 votes. If anything we need a moderate, not a radical. We need Reagan type economics to bring prosperity back In your opinion! That’s all it is OPINIONS! |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 31, 2008 14:06:25 GMT -5
so Obama promising that he would repeal the patriot act, and then voting for it is my opinion? That shows that he is a flip-flopper. Our country dosen't need someone who cant even make up his own mind. And it just shows how he is a typical politician, lies to the American people.
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 31, 2008 14:10:40 GMT -5
ALL politicians lie, and ALL politicians change their minds!
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Post by dasbow on Jul 31, 2008 14:15:01 GMT -5
ALL politicians lie, and ALL politicians change their minds! And some deny that they ever held the other position. I don't care if someone changes his mind, as long as he admits it and explains what it was that changed his thinking. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 31, 2008 14:16:23 GMT -5
ALL politicians lie, and ALL politicians change their minds! And some deny that they ever held the other position. I don't care if someone changes his mind, as long as he admits it and explains what it was that changed his thinking. I agree |
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