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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 4, 2008 14:16:39 GMT -5
I wanted to start a thead/poll that dosen't talk about politics in general, but just about the candidates. And be honest in who you are going to vote for, it'll be interesting to see.
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 4, 2008 14:20:05 GMT -5
What about undecided? Other i guess?
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Post by Fistor on Aug 4, 2008 15:04:21 GMT -5
So you don't want to talk about politics, but you do want to talk about the candidates?
I'm confused as to how to go about doing that.
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Post by speedbump on Aug 4, 2008 23:00:28 GMT -5
Basically, he wanted another thread where people could throw shit at each other and call it a civilized debate.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 6:06:35 GMT -5
No I just want this thread to stay more civilized. Talk about the pros and cons of each canidate withought it being so much about what party they're in
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Post by Fistor on Aug 5, 2008 7:04:19 GMT -5
No I just want this thread to stay more civilized. Talk about the pros and cons of each canidate withought it being so much about what party they're in I think that's a good idea. I just wonder if it's possible to actually have such a discussion. I'm willing, and have tried before, but it seems inevitably someone always gets bent out of shape and starts name-calling. I would like a boiled down thread that only discusses the candidate's position on certain issues. Could be quite educational. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 7:50:41 GMT -5
I agree. For one, I don't see how Barack can say he will reduce the deficit, but plans on creating more social programs. Thoughts?
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Post by Fistor on Aug 5, 2008 9:06:34 GMT -5
I agree. For one, I don't see how Barack can say he will reduce the deficit, but plans on creating more social programs. Thoughts? I guess I'd have to see where he would get the money to do so. Do you have a link of some sort? |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 9:22:38 GMT -5
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Post by Fistor on Aug 5, 2008 9:50:21 GMT -5
Would you consider this an unbiased source? |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 10:34:54 GMT -5
no, i would definately say its biased. It does show some good logic though
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Post by shaggytheclown17 on Aug 5, 2008 10:42:43 GMT -5
Obviously there are alot of pro death Bush loving nazis here, God I'm so embarressed to be on the same site, I'm deleting this account.
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Post by Fistor on Aug 5, 2008 10:46:06 GMT -5
Obviously there are alot of pro death Bush loving nazis here, God I'm so embarressed to be on the same site, I'm deleting this account. Good riddance. I would think you would've had the common sense to do this long ago, considering how you've embarrassed yourself by verbally chastising our dead soldiers. Have a nice life, loser. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 5, 2008 10:47:24 GMT -5
Obviously there are alot of pro death Bush loving nazis here, God I'm so embarressed to be on the same site, I'm deleting this account. Good riddance. I would think you would've had the common sense to do this long ago, considering how you've embarrassed yourself by verbally chastising our dead soldiers. Have a nice life, loser. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 10:50:54 GMT -5
I like how I try to start a respectful thread where we can have some intelligent discussion and this ahole comes in... anyways. Fistor, biased source aside, what did you think of the content of the article?
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"Ruddy, who serves as editor-in-chief, describes Newsmax.com as "the leading independent online news site with a conservative perspective" Obviously it has a conservative spin, but can still be an informative if used within context.
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Post by Fistor on Aug 5, 2008 10:57:50 GMT -5
I like how I try to start a respectful thread where we can have some intelligent discussion and this ahole comes in... anyways. Fistor, biased source aside, what did you think of the content of the article? *edit "Ruddy, who serves as editor-in-chief, describes Newsmax.com as "the leading independent online news site with a conservative perspective" Obviously it has a conservative spin, but can still be an informative if used within context. It links to an article I have to pay to see, which I'm not willing to do. The figures the initial article may be accurate, but I'd like to confirm that with an unbiased source. If they aren't able to be confirmed, the entire premise is one big strawman. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 11:09:53 GMT -5
agreed. I'll keep doing some research and see if I can verify any of it.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 5, 2008 11:48:11 GMT -5
i have another site for you to look at. dontvoteobama.net/ssfm/lies.htmI know it's obviously biased and there are no sources, but I have seen a lot of those claims supported with sources before, I'll keep looking |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 6, 2008 10:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 6, 2008 17:38:08 GMT -5
Obviously there are alot of pro death Bush loving nazis here, God I'm so embarressed to be on the same site, I'm deleting this account. Good riddance. I would think you would've had the common sense to do this long ago, considering how you've embarrassed yourself by verbally chastising our dead soldiers. Have a nice life, loser. It's hard to get a fix on you Fistor, we should get together and talk politics over a brew. Your facinating. |
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Post by Dino on Aug 7, 2008 6:20:06 GMT -5
I thought this was pretty funny! She seems to have a more rational approach than a majority of politicians out there even though she obviously didn't come up with her "Energy Plan." |
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Post by Fistor on Aug 7, 2008 8:24:15 GMT -5
Good riddance. I would think you would've had the common sense to do this long ago, considering how you've embarrassed yourself by verbally chastising our dead soldiers. Have a nice life, loser. It's hard to get a fix on you Fistor, we should get together and talk politics over a brew. Your facinating. Not a real tough one to decipher here, mad dog. I bristled after shaggythedouche called our dead soldiers "buttholes", and then bristled even more when he re-phrased it to call all of our soldiers, dead or alive, buttholes. No matter what your stance on the war is, that kind of rhetoric is never called for. |
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Post by speedbump on Aug 7, 2008 8:55:42 GMT -5
I thought this was pretty funny! She seems to have a more rational approach than a majority of politicians out there even though she obviously didn't come up with her "Energy Plan." The plan she said was the EXACT same as Obama's. Now how does that make you feel? |
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Post by Dino on Aug 7, 2008 10:15:31 GMT -5
I thought this was pretty funny! She seems to have a more rational approach than a majority of politicians out there even though she obviously didn't come up with her "Energy Plan." The plan she said was the EXACT same as Obama's. Now how does that make you feel? The only thing I've heard Obama talk about was support wind/solar etc. technology, no offshore/anwar/domestic drilling, take away oil company profits, mandatory CAFE standards and inflate your tires. I don't see anything exact about that. |
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Post by speedbump on Aug 7, 2008 10:26:06 GMT -5
The plan she said was the EXACT same as Obama's. Now how does that make you feel? The only thing I've heard Obama talk about was support wind/solar etc. technology, no offshore/anwar/domestic drilling, take away oil company profits, mandatory CAFE standards and inflate your tires. I don't see anything exact about that. Wait, what? I don't get what you're saying. Obama supports drilling as a short term fix (I don't know if you're saying he does or doesn't) as long as there is also money put into developing alternative energy, and there are environmental controls on the drilling. He has said he wants a bipartisan solution. I don't know if what I said is confirming what you said or not, your wording is confusing me. |
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Post by hotzester on Aug 7, 2008 10:26:36 GMT -5
McCain - he's got decades of experience, he's proposing suggestions beyond "inflate your tires" to try to fix the energy crisis, he's supportive of the troops, and he's not going to run from Iraq.
That said, I'm still not 100% on board with him - I just PREFER him over Obama. I'd have much rather seen Romney or Fred Thompson.
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Post by speedbump on Aug 7, 2008 10:32:32 GMT -5
McCain - he's got decades of experience, he's proposing suggestions beyond "inflate your tires" to try to fix the energy crisis, he's supportive of the troops, and he's not going to run from Iraq. That said, I'm still not 100% on board with him - I just PREFER him over Obama. I'd have much rather seen Romney or Fred Thompson. The criticism McCain's campaign has placed on Obama saying "inflate your tires" was completely out of context. An audience member in a town hall meeting asked obama "what can I do to save energy?" and he said "inflate your tires". How is that not valid? He has talked extensively about his energy plan, and I know attack ads are common, but why is McCain attacking Obama out of complete ignorance and downright lies? I think it's laughable that McCain criticizes an energy saving tip that the Bush Administration, NASCAR, and Arnold Schwarzenegger(a supporter of McCain) all have promoted. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 7, 2008 10:36:07 GMT -5
McCain - he's got decades of experience, he's proposing suggestions beyond "inflate your tires" to try to fix the energy crisis, he's supportive of the troops, and he's not going to run from Iraq. That said, I'm still not 100% on board with him - I just PREFER him over Obama. I'd have much rather seen Romney or Fred Thompson. The criticism McCain's campaign has placed on Obama saying "inflate your tires" was completely out of context. An audience member in a town hall meeting asked obama "what can I do to save energy?" and he said "inflate your tires". How is that not valid? He has talked extensively about his energy plan, and I know attack ads are common, but why is McCain attacking Obama out of complete ignorance and downright lies? I think it's laughable that McCain criticizes an energy saving tip that the Bush Administration, NASCAR, and Arnold Schwarzenegger(a supporter of McCain) all have promoted. All I know is that this country elected Bush to a second term…I have no hope for the future… |
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Post by hotzester on Aug 7, 2008 11:08:44 GMT -5
It's not out of context, he's suggesting that the questioner inflate his tires. He went on to say that ALL Americans should inflate their tires and we'd save more oil than if we drilled domestically.
This is illogical, as it would mean we'd ALL have to be driving around on tires that aren't properly inflated. Yes, on an individual level, inflated tires will boost your fuel economy, however it is ridiculous to think that's the answer to the national problem.
I'll concede that Obama's wind/solar plans would definitely help, but so would McCain's drilling and nuclear suggestions. However, wind/solar doesn't produce nearly the amount of electricity as nuclear power, which is why it's not a huge success already.
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Post by speedbump on Aug 7, 2008 11:29:32 GMT -5
It's not out of context, he's suggesting that the questioner inflate his tires. He went on to say that ALL Americans should inflate their tires and we'd save more oil than if we drilled domestically. This is illogical, as it would mean we'd ALL have to be driving around on tires that aren't properly inflated. Yes, on an individual level, inflated tires will boost your fuel economy, however it is ridiculous to think that's the answer to the national problem. I'll concede that Obama's wind/solar plans would definitely help, but so would McCain's drilling and nuclear suggestions. However, wind/solar doesn't produce nearly the amount of electricity as nuclear power, which is why it's not a huge success already. It isn't the answer to the nation's problem, I already told you that. Obama doesn't oppose nuclear power, he just wants controls on how the waste is disposed, re-used, and protected from the wrong hands, and he has introduced legislation to place these controls. He will support building more nuclear power plants, as long as they don't go unregulated. |
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