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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 8:13:02 GMT -5
Well?
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 8:53:52 GMT -5
Here is the sticking point: he was operating his personal vehicle on company time. The vehicle was damaged and, even though he was ticketed as "at fault", the radio station is still legally liable for damages (as far as I know).
Now they did replace the vehicle for free but the question remains: was it of equal value? All of the rudeness of his father aside, wasn't Monchichi entitled to a working vehicle of equal value?
That said, his father comes off as an ungrateful ass and should also be interviewed on the air. I also believe that they are justified in firing him for how they handled the situation.
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Post by Queenie on Apr 14, 2011 9:29:11 GMT -5
Entitlist . . . can't effin stand them.
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Post by shawnp on Apr 14, 2011 10:50:23 GMT -5
So.....what actually happened? I haven't heard the podcast yet.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 10:55:26 GMT -5
So.....what actually happened? I haven't heard the podcast yet. Chi was given a free car after he boldly asked the show for one. He then returned it without returning it. They had him on air and he asked if he should come in tomorrow. Free Beer told him very politely that they should part ways. Joe told him to grow-up. It was great radio fodder but at the end of the day Chi's dad needs to get a clue and set a good example for his son. |
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Post by potthole on Apr 14, 2011 11:08:33 GMT -5
During CWTTA this morning I heard the little preview for all this and kept thinking over and over that they should can his ass. Never did get to hear the 'real' segment a couple hours later, but I'm glad to hear the dolt was fired.
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Post by shawnp on Apr 14, 2011 11:49:44 GMT -5
Returned the car without returning it? Assuming he didn't line the car or it wasn't good enough for him?
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Post by Queenie on Apr 14, 2011 12:23:45 GMT -5
Returned the car without returning it? Assuming he didn't line the car or it wasn't good enough for him? It was a little too big for him and a gas guzzler. Of course, since he didn't have to PAY for the car, he should have extra money for gas. He initially asked Zane to find him a car for around $1,350.00. According to my math (and yes, it's simple math potthole) $1,350.00 would buy a lot of gas. |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 13:09:01 GMT -5
Returned the car without returning it? Assuming he didn't line the car or it wasn't good enough for him? He and his dad drove to the dealership and told them to go to their house to grab the car. They also added that they would need to bring gas since it was nearly empty. So the guy goes to their house to grab the car and it's locked. Of course no one was home. |
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Post by Rock Monster on Apr 14, 2011 13:23:57 GMT -5
It was a little too big for him and a gas guzzler. Of course, since he didn't have to PAY for the car, he should have extra money for gas. He initially asked Zane to find him a car for around $1,350.00. According to my math (and yes, it's simple math potthole) $1,350.00 would buy a lot of gas. If something happened to my car, and someone else was responsible for it, I would expect them to replace it with something close. I get about 30 mpg in my car. If it were replaced with something that gets 15 mpg I would be pissed too. Yes he didn't have to pay for the car, but he wasn't liable to replace it either. $1350 would buy a lot of gas, but it isn't money he should have to shell out in the first place. I don't know the whole story, but I think he has the right to have a similiar car. He and his dad drove to the dealership and told them to go to their house to grab the car. They also added that they would need to bring gas since it was nearly empty. So the guy goes to their house to grab the car and it's locked. Of course no one was home. OK, dick move for not just taking it there, and total stupidity for locking it. He shouldn't be fired. He and his dad should be kicked in the nuts live on air every day for the next month. |
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Post by Rock Monster on Apr 14, 2011 13:27:56 GMT -5
According to my math (and yes, it's simple math potthole) $1,350.00 would buy a lot of gas. Fun with math.... at $4.00 a gallon, that's 337.5 gallons In my eyes, a "gas guzzler" gets 15mpg or less 337.5 gal * 15 mpg = 5062.5 miles For me, that's not very long. I think I drive about 1,500 miles a month. That's less than 4 months of driving. ... That being said, if anyone wants to buy my gas for me for the next 4 months, it would be greatly appreciated. |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 13:30:53 GMT -5
A month of ad-free says that the station is sued over the event.
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Post by Queenie on Apr 14, 2011 13:41:25 GMT -5
It was a little too big for him and a gas guzzler. Of course, since he didn't have to PAY for the car, he should have extra money for gas. He initially asked Zane to find him a car for around $1,350.00. According to my math (and yes, it's simple math potthole) $1,350.00 would buy a lot of gas. If something happened to my car, and someone else was responsible for it, I would expect them to replace it with something close. I get about 30 mpg in my car. If it were replaced with something that gets 15 mpg I would be pissed too. Yes he didn't have to pay for the car, but he wasn't liable to replace it either. $1350 would buy a lot of gas, but it isn't money he should have to shell out in the first place. I don't know the whole story, but I think he has the right to have a similiar car. Granted the accident happened during work hours and while on an errand for the employer, the employer could use a comparative fault defense. It could be argued, if he sued and it went to trial, that had Chi not been negligent in running the stop light, the accident would not have happened, thus his car would not have been damaged. That being said, I wouldn't want a gas guzzler like a Lincoln Town Car either if I had been driving a Honda Civic. |
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Post by Dino on Apr 14, 2011 14:01:40 GMT -5
If I was monchichi I would have taken the free car, said thank you very much for the gracious gift cause I'm an F'n idiot that can't obey basic traffic laws....saved my pennies to later on buy a more fuel efficient auto down the line if I prefer cause it was my stupid F'n fault I got into the accident and not the radio stations.
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Post by Dino on Apr 14, 2011 14:03:37 GMT -5
If I was monchichi I would have taken the free car, said thank you very much for the gracious gift cause I'm an F'n idiot that can't obey basic traffic laws....saved my pennies to later on buy a more fuel efficient auto down the line if I prefer cause it was my stupid F'n fault I got into the accident and not the radio stations. Oh yeah, forgot to add..... He probably deserves to get let go since he treated an advertiser/customer (at least I think they're an advertiser???) like shit. |
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Post by potthole on Apr 14, 2011 14:06:37 GMT -5
A month of ad-free says that the station is sued over the event. I obviously don't know anything about the employment status of interns with the show, but if the internship were considered an at-will position, wouldn't that protect the employer from lawsuit? As I understand it employees who are considered at-will can be canned at any time for any reason, and don't have much of a plank to stand on when it comes to the law. |
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Post by Dino on Apr 14, 2011 14:08:27 GMT -5
BTW....how old is this kid? He's in college right? I'm guessing he's a legal adult at least. He needs to cut the the F'n umbilical cord, grow a pair of testicles and make decisions for himself. Take responsibility for your own actions chi.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 14:10:34 GMT -5
A month of ad-free says that the station is sued over the event. I obviously don't know anything about the employment status of interns with the show, but if the internship were considered an at-will position, wouldn't that protect the employer from lawsuit? As I understand it employees who are considered at-will can be canned at any time for any reason, and don't have much of a plank to stand on when it comes to the law. We're all at-will employees. |
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Post by potthole on Apr 14, 2011 14:22:59 GMT -5
We're all at-will employees. Well yeah, but, for example, my employer has a specific category known as at-will. Those employees don't get benefits and are generally a temporary or resource employee. Rules for how they can get fired are quite a bit different from "normal" employees. |
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Post by Queenie on Apr 14, 2011 14:49:08 GMT -5
I am sure being an intern on the show, they would (or definitely should after this situation) have to sign a hold-harmless agreement or waiver of some sort.
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Post by mayorofawesometown on Apr 14, 2011 14:51:38 GMT -5
I do think that Chi's father was infinitely more to blame than Chi himself but at the end of the day he's an adult and thus has to pay the consequences.
In all fairness, not all internships work the same way. Many have contracts so the company could still be responsible for extenuating circumstances. Others leave the interns totally liable and whenever they do things for the company all of the inherent risks are on their own shoulders. It doesn't seem like Joe runs his choices by J.T. so I'm guessing interning on FBHW is more like the latter. I could be wrong.
Assuming I have things straight then the guys aren't remotely liable for getting Chi a new car. I'd guess they're smart enough to realize that or else everything that has since gone down wouldn't have gone down and it definitely wouldn't have happened on air.
The infuriating aspect of this whole situation is, as it's been mentioned, the ungratefulness. Somehow the Chi family not only looked a gift horse in the mouth but they then turned around and MURDERED IT. Wearing other radio show gear to Craig's lot? Forcing Craig to pick it up? Leaving it locked? Not having gas? All of these are little things that - no matter which side of the argument you're on - have to recognized as inexcusable issues that only fan the flames of hatred.
Like the guys said, there were so many other options. If you get a free car and don't like it then sell it so you have more money towards a better car. How simple is that? The one thing that Chi and his dad fail to understand is that the second Chi picks up the phone and asks Zane for a favor, even if he's getting a free car it's not "free." Free comes with a few unspoken agreements since Zane is calling in a favor from someone who has done a lot of good for the show. At that moment Chi ostensibly represented the show so his poor behavior reflected poorly on the show.
At the very least if the car didn't work out they could have returned it, thanked Craig profusely for trying, and it would have been no harm, no foul. It almost felt as if they were going out of their way to rub dirt in Craig's eye because - God forbid - his gracious gesture wasn't 100% perfect. It felt downright spiteful at least in the case of the father.
Everyone is just lucky that Craig is a damned saint. Honestly, after all he's done in the past by donating a couple of vehicles for Joe's tour and the lady who got robbed this is the icing on the cake. I feel like it's now my personal duty to recommend Craig to anyone in the area who needs a car just because he's proven time and again to be the nicest human being on the planet!
Chi is lucky he only got fired and he's probably lucky it did happen on air. All five show members would have had every right in the world to verbally dress him down with as many four-letter words as they could imagine. His piss poor attitude made them all look bad.
At least Frank Smalltalk just urinated on their breakfast. >_>
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Post by Queenie on Apr 14, 2011 15:17:46 GMT -5
Well said mayor. Well, except for the last line. Ewwwwww!!
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 14, 2011 15:30:45 GMT -5
I do think that Chi's father was infinitely more to blame than Chi himself but at the end of the day he's an adult and thus has to pay the consequences. In all fairness, not all internships work the same way. Many have contracts so the company could still be responsible for extenuating circumstances. Others leave the interns totally liable and whenever they do things for the company all of the inherent risks are on their own shoulders. It doesn't seem like Joe runs his choices by J.T. so I'm guessing interning on FBHW is more like the latter. I could be wrong. Assuming I have things straight then the guys aren't remotely liable for getting Chi a new car. I'd guess they're smart enough to realize that or else everything that has since gone down wouldn't have gone down and it definitely wouldn't have happened on air. The infuriating aspect of this whole situation is, as it's been mentioned, the ungratefulness. Somehow the Chi family not only looked a gift horse in the mouth but they then turned around and MURDERED IT. Wearing other radio show gear to Craig's lot? Forcing Craig to pick it up? Leaving it locked? Not having gas? All of these are little things that - no matter which side of the argument you're on - have to recognized as inexcusable issues that only fan the flames of hatred. Like the guys said, there were so many other options. If you get a free car and don't like it then sell it so you have more money towards a better car. How simple is that? The one thing that Chi and his dad fail to understand is that the second Chi picks up the phone and asks Zane for a favor, even if he's getting a free car it's not "free." Free comes with a few unspoken agreements since Zane is calling in a favor from someone who has done a lot of good for the show. At that moment Chi ostensibly represented the show so his poor behavior reflected poorly on the show. At the very least if the car didn't work out they could have returned it, thanked Craig profusely for trying, and it would have been no harm, no foul. It almost felt as if they were going out of their way to rub dirt in Craig's eye because - God forbid - his gracious gesture wasn't 100% perfect. It felt downright spiteful at least in the case of the father. Everyone is just lucky that Craig is a damned saint. Honestly, after all he's done in the past by donating a couple of vehicles for Joe's tour and the lady who got robbed this is the icing on the cake. I feel like it's now my personal duty to recommend Craig to anyone in the area who needs a car just because he's proven time and again to be the nicest human being on the planet! Chi is lucky he only got fired and he's probably lucky it did happen on air. All five show members would have had every right in the world to verbally dress him down with as many four-letter words as they could imagine. His piss poor attitude made them all look bad. At least Frank Smalltalk just urinated on their breakfast. >_> I agree with this post so much that I am going to significantly bump your karma. |
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Post by Rebel on Apr 14, 2011 17:49:01 GMT -5
Holy crap. I have heard the last few days leading up to today, but haven't gotten to this event yet.
Yes...I think they are justified in firing Chi. How are the supposed to look at him and not just hate his ungrateful ass?
I drive for work all the time (have to keep a clean driving record to keep my job) and I'm not sure if my employer would be responsible to replace my car if I got in an accident. I guess I should find out, after 8 years. But my former boss totaled his car on the job (not his fault), and the company didn't reimburse him. I don't think he even asked for it.
Michigan is an at-will employment state. Unless they're in a union, anyone can be fired at any time, for any reason--or for no reason at all.
I'll be buying a new car in the next month or two, and keeping my jalopy for grunge driving. When the jalopy finally waves the white flag, I can see the value in dropping a few grand on another beater. I have already decided that I will travel across the state to get one from Hyway when that time comes, just because Craig has done some really cool things for and with the show.
I don't plan to let him know I'm a FBHW listener until the deal is done because it's not about getting a fan discount or anything, it's just to give business to a good guy. I'll probably reveal it by yelling, "See ya later, Pig Nose!" on my way out the door.
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Post by Dino on Apr 14, 2011 20:00:07 GMT -5
Anyone wanna guess what other radio station T-shirt chi's Dad was wearing?
I'm guessing 101.3 the Fox. Seems like that would fit him.
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Post by potthole on Apr 14, 2011 20:36:57 GMT -5
Anyone wanna guess what other radio station T-shirt chi's Dad was wearing? I'm guessing 101.3 the Fox. Seems like that would fit him. 96.9 LAV, probably because his dad got bombed with Tony Gates once. |
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Post by Rock Monster on Apr 15, 2011 6:01:18 GMT -5
Anyone wanna guess what other radio station T-shirt chi's Dad was wearing? I'm guessing 101.3 the Fox. Seems like that would fit him. B93, because he's a class A redneck |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 15, 2011 7:20:44 GMT -5
WBBL. Somebody that stupid HAS to be a fan of Huge-A-Dumbass Bill Simonson.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Apr 15, 2011 7:22:28 GMT -5
I have already decided that I will travel across the state to get one from Hyway when that time comes, just because Craig has done some really cool things for and with the show. I don't plan to let him know I'm a FBHW listener until the deal is done because it's not about getting a fan discount or anything, it's just to give business to a good guy. I'll probably reveal it by yelling, "See ya later, Pig Nose!" on my way out the door. Bravo! I usually deal with private sellers which allows for better negotiation but when (knock on wood) we are in need of another vehicle, that is the first place I will look. |
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Post by wienertwo on Apr 15, 2011 14:06:26 GMT -5
When I was hired, there was such little paperwork or any formality, it is almost like there is zero tie to the actual show. Granted, I had to forward school paperwork, etc to Joe so he could fill out, sign or whatever, but I do not recall doing anything for the station itself. The way I understand it, his face was stuck down in his phone, as was par for the course with him anywhere. I don't know about any at-will employee status or if his employment status has anything to do with the accident. Essentially, they ask a favor to go get breakfast. Chi COULD have said no or asked if he could not, but he was doing it as a favor.
All in all, a pretty effed up situation that ended the only way it could have considering the circumstances.
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