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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 10, 2008 22:07:26 GMT -5
I am so sick of hearing that drug addiction, or alcoholism, or any other types of addiction are a disease.
Cancer is a disease.
AIDS is a disease.
Malaria is a disease.
Drug users choose to use the drugs. I drink, sometimes excessively, and every single time it's MY CHOICE to do so.
If you need to get help with your addictions, please do so, but don't use the whiny emotional crutch of "it's a disease"
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Post by Philly Mike on Jul 11, 2008 5:52:17 GMT -5
I am so sick of hearing that drug addiction, or alcoholism, or any other types of addiction are a disease. Cancer is a disease. AIDS is a disease. Malaria is a disease. Drug users choose to use the drugs. I drink, sometimes excessively, and every single time it's MY CHOICE to do so. If you need to get help with your addictions, please do so, but don't use the whiny emotional crutch of "it's a disease" Well considering that recently there have been studies that show people have a genetic predisposition to addiction because of the sensitivity of certain receptors in the brain that affect impulse control which causes someone to basically "get hooked", this would constitute a specific thing that people can not help. Considering that genetics can predispose you to cancer and that would be concerned a disease. Why couldn't addiction be one? Not to mention that at first when people start certain drugs/vices and the like there may be no addiction (nicotine, heroin) most people become chemically dependent on the specific thing being introduced into the body. This causes an addiction, that would be considered a disease also. |
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Post by potthole on Jul 11, 2008 5:54:19 GMT -5
I haven't always really liked the term "disease" for things like drug and alcohol addiction, but I certainly think that in some cases, it's a problem that a person honestly can't really control all that well.
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Post by Philly Mike on Jul 11, 2008 6:16:04 GMT -5
I haven't always really liked the term "disease" for things like drug and alcohol addiction, but I certainly think that in some cases, it's a problem that a person honestly can't really control all that well. No doubt, however it can be considered a disease, and yes the fact that some people can't help themselves is abused by those who can, trying to say they have an addiction when they have complete free will without any biologically viable reason for stating so. So yeah I do feel this is a real thing, but I also know there are people out there faking it. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 11, 2008 6:49:16 GMT -5
I haven't always really liked the term "disease" for things like drug and alcohol addiction, but I certainly think that in some cases, it's a problem that a person honestly can't really control all that well. No doubt, however it can be considered a disease, and yes the fact that some people can't help themselves is abused by those who can, trying to say they have an addiction when they have complete free will without any biologically viable reason for stating so. So yeah I do feel this is a real thing, but I also know there are people out there faking it. I have a somewhat addictive personality. This is why I won't let myself start playing video games like WoW and I am definitely addicted to cigarettes and Mountain Dew. I have been a part of a two different addiction groups in the past. I personally never had an addiction that is a disease but I do feel there is a small population that it may actually be a disease. People abuse this concept commonly though. I have heard people that were court ordered to be in a sexual addiction group claim it was a disease and I personally think they were full of shit. |
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Post by Allyson on Jul 11, 2008 6:55:23 GMT -5
I tend to agree here. While I agree that substances are addictive, it is not the person who is inherently an addict. That's bs. Babies are born with hemophilia, not alcoholism. People medically develop diabetes, not drug addictions. I get so mad at my boyfriend when he stumbles home drunk and says he can't help it. Come on. Did you make the conscious decision to go to the bar tonight? Did you make the conscious decision to order a beer? And another? And another? So how are you going to tell me it's an act of God and you were born that way?
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 11, 2008 17:00:53 GMT -5
You're forgetting the main point FUCKTARD. If you label your addiction of choice as a disease, you no longer are responsible for it and have free range to drink as much as you possibly want, because you cant help it.
I'm very addicted to nicotine, but i don't consider it a disease. If i wanted to stop smoking, i guarantee i could and would. I am not saying it wouldn't suck and be difficult, but it is my responsibility for what i'm doing to my lungs, and its my responsibility to stop whenever i choose to (probably soon though because as much as i enjoy smoking, i have abused my lungs plenty long at this point).
Wait nevermind, i have a disease, so i dont have to worry about it, ill just keep smoking until they come out with a prescription drug i can take to cure myself!
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Post by Zee on Jul 11, 2008 17:19:01 GMT -5
You're forgetting the main point FUCKTARD. If you label your addiction of choice as a disease, you no longer are responsible for it and have free range to drink as much as you possibly want, because you cant help it. I'm very addicted to nicotine, but i don't consider it a disease. If i wanted to stop smoking, i guarantee i could and would. I am not saying it wouldn't suck and be difficult, but it is my responsibility for what i'm doing to my lungs, and its my responsibility to stop whenever i choose to (probably soon though because as much as i enjoy smoking, i have abused my lungs plenty long at this point). Wait nevermind, i have a disease, so i dont have to worry about it, ill just keep smoking until they come out with a prescription drug i can take to cure myself! I think they already have that drug... I don't know much about it though because I'm happy smoking. |
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Post by beerbarella on Jul 11, 2008 17:34:02 GMT -5
I don't feel addiction is a disease, either. I'll grant that there are people with addictive personalities, but I believe people need to take responsibility for themselves. When I smoked, no one forced me to do it, the cigarettes didn't attach themselves to my mouth and light themselves. I CHOSE to pick them up and smoke them. When I quit, it was so difficult to stick to my plan ( I weaned myself off instead of cold turkey), but I did it. It was my responsibility, and I needed to fix it.
I still drink, not all the time, but when I do I tend to drink until I've had too much. I guess I'd be considered a binge drinker. I'd never claim to have a disease because of it, though. It's my choice to pick up that drink, I am the one responsible when I go overboard.
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Post by Fistor on Jul 13, 2008 18:19:42 GMT -5
What if you're addicted to diseases?
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Post by overheadpageme on Jul 15, 2008 0:57:15 GMT -5
I am so sick of hearing that drug addiction, or alcoholism, or any other types of addiction are a disease. Cancer is a disease. AIDS is a disease. Malaria is a disease. Drug users choose to use the drugs. I drink, sometimes excessively, and every single time it's MY CHOICE to do so. If you need to get help with your addictions, please do so, but don't use the whiny emotional crutch of "it's a disease" I don't completely agree with you. Clearly Cancer, AIDS and Malaria are diseases. Wikipedia defines disease as "an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions." Depending on how severe the dependency, drugs and alcohol actually alter the state of the brain. For example Meth depletes the dopamine in one's brain, which can cause psychological problems such as Schizophrenia. Being addicted to a substance such as Meth is a disease. The abuser takes more Meth to escape the pshycological effects of being addicted to Meth, its a vicious cycle and it usually has to be treated medically, the same with severe alcohol addiction. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 15, 2008 8:46:56 GMT -5
I am so sick of hearing that drug addiction, or alcoholism, or any other types of addiction are a disease. Cancer is a disease. AIDS is a disease. Malaria is a disease. Drug users choose to use the drugs. I drink, sometimes excessively, and every single time it's MY CHOICE to do so. If you need to get help with your addictions, please do so, but don't use the whiny emotional crutch of "it's a disease" I don't completely agree with you. Clearly Cancer, AIDS and Malaria are diseases. Wikipedia defines disease as "an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions." Depending on how severe the dependency, drugs and alcohol actually alter the state of the brain. For example Meth depletes the dopamine in one's brain, which can cause psychological problems such as Schizophrenia. Being addicted to a substance such as Meth is a disease. The abuser takes more Meth to escape the pshycological effects of being addicted to Meth, its a vicious cycle and it usually has to be treated medically, the same with severe alcohol addiction. Your argument would have more weight if you cited a source other than wikipedia. |
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Post by Queenie on Jul 15, 2008 12:13:14 GMT -5
Well speaking from experience in my family, we had ADHD that runs rampant, and that IS a disease. In order to curb the effects of ADHD, prescription medicine is necessary. If you cannot, or will not, take the prescription medicine, other illegal drugs can produce the same results. Therefore, I believe that drug addiction can be a disease. My 2 cents worth . . .  |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 15, 2008 15:33:39 GMT -5
I don't completely agree with you. Clearly Cancer, AIDS and Malaria are diseases. Wikipedia defines disease as "an abnormal condition of an organism that impairs bodily functions." Depending on how severe the dependency, drugs and alcohol actually alter the state of the brain. For example Meth depletes the dopamine in one's brain, which can cause psychological problems such as Schizophrenia. Being addicted to a substance such as Meth is a disease. The abuser takes more Meth to escape the pshycological effects of being addicted to Meth, its a vicious cycle and it usually has to be treated medically, the same with severe alcohol addiction. Your argument would have more weight if you cited a source other than wikipedia. Are you one of those people who thinks everything on Wikipedia is wrong? Or are you just saying that now, out of convenience to the situation, when you yourself have quoted Wikipedia numerous times? www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disease |
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Post by overheadpageme on Jul 15, 2008 22:55:29 GMT -5
Your argument would have more weight if you cited a source other than wikipedia. Are you one of those people who thinks everything on Wikipedia is wrong? Or are you just saying that now, out of convenience to the situation, when you yourself have quoted Wikipedia numerous times? www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diseaseThanks, man. I have used Wikipedia several times writing papers for school and such, and none of my professors have ever had any issues with it's credibility. |
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Post by toddlerfondler on Jul 15, 2008 23:49:19 GMT -5
If we know all these "diseases" are genetic we should start identifying the carriers and sterilizing them.
In my genetic code there is a sequence that gives me the strength to wield a knife and plunge it downward in a stabbing motion, so if i kill people it's just a disease. Also I had a poor childhood so the stress my parent put on me makes it their fault. In the end being genetically predisposed is a cop out, you make choices just like I do.
[rant] As for my sterilizing comment, I do believe in the next 10 generations we are going to breed into our genetic so much junk that people with bad genetic will need to be sterilized for the betterment of the human race. I saw a piece a year or so ago on dateline about two people people with cerebral palsy crying about their children having the same disease.. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!
Everything in our social environment comes down to the battle between COMPASSION and EFFICIENCY.
The Spartans (as made famous in the movie 300) were efficient to the point of brutality and America is becoming compassionate to the point of ludicrousy. If you need a warning label on a baby stroller that says "Don't collapse with baby inside", then breeding isn't something you should have done. Too many people rely on immediate satisfaction that they can't see the long term destruction. Can't you all see the drug induced, hand fed, system taxed, irresponsible, entitlement filled future around the corner? Hey, I would be on the sterilize list (bad eyes, bad knees, 27 and already had rotator cuff surgery) but I think I would be alright with that if I knew that there was a a process in place to create a stronger us. In the entirety of known history, we right now have more freedom to think, do, say, and create, than ever before and we can only make collectively bad decisions for so long before we lose those options. [/rant]
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 16, 2008 15:03:11 GMT -5
Your argument would have more weight if you cited a source other than wikipedia. Are you one of those people who thinks everything on Wikipedia is wrong? Or are you just saying that now, out of convenience to the situation, when you yourself have quoted Wikipedia numerous times? www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diseaseNah, Im just saying that since anyone can edit wikipedia, it just doesn't have a lot of eight as a source, specifically for something academic. I think it's a great source for information on any and all sources of pop culture though. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 16, 2008 15:39:00 GMT -5
Are you one of those people who thinks everything on Wikipedia is wrong? Or are you just saying that now, out of convenience to the situation, when you yourself have quoted Wikipedia numerous times? www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/diseaseNah, Im just saying that since anyone can edit wikipedia, it just doesn't have a lot of eight as a source, specifically for something academic. I think it's a great source for information on any and all sources of pop culture though. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 16, 2008 18:02:31 GMT -5
Nah, Im just saying that since anyone can edit wikipedia, it just doesn't have a lot of eight as a source, specifically for something academic. I think it's a great source for information on any and all sources of pop culture though. Damn, speedy you're all over that shit. If I remember it, I'll give you a +1 when I can |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 16, 2008 18:06:58 GMT -5
Well speaking from experience in my family, we had ADHD that runs rampant, and that IS a disease. In order to curb the effects of ADHD, prescription medicine is necessary. If you cannot, or will not, take the prescription medicine, other illegal drugs can produce the same results. Therefore, I believe that drug addiction can be a disease. My 2 cents worth . . . I have to deal with ADD everyday, and I know I have a variety of options available to me. But I just can't agree that "addiction" is a disease. On a side note, a few years ago I had a legal prescription for percocette. HOLY SHIT ! ! ! That stuff was F'ing amazing. It was like Ritalin times 10. It made everything more enjoyable, I was able to focus on whatever topic was at hand. fortunately my medical coverage ran out and I didn't have to keep taking that stuff. but geezus H man those were some wonderful days. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 16, 2008 18:11:03 GMT -5
Here's a question or two ....
What about the people who were born before alcohol and or drugs were readily/easily available ?
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If an addict were suddenly stranded on a deseretd island with no access to drugs or alcohol for 5, 10, 20 years, are they still an addict ? Do they still have the disease ?
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 16, 2008 18:14:06 GMT -5
On a side note, a few years ago I had a legal prescription for percocette. HOLY SHIT ! ! ! That stuff was F'ing amazing. It was like Ritalin times 10. It made everything more enjoyable, I was able to focus on whatever topic was at hand. fortunately my medical coverage ran out and I didn't have to keep taking that stuff. but geezus H man those were some wonderful days. Don't trust drug dealers, unless they are FDA approved. Percs mess me up man. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 16, 2008 18:17:07 GMT -5
On a side note, a few years ago I had a legal prescription for percocette. HOLY SHIT ! ! ! That stuff was F'ing amazing. It was like Ritalin times 10. It made everything more enjoyable, I was able to focus on whatever topic was at hand. fortunately my medical coverage ran out and I didn't have to keep taking that stuff. but geezus H man those were some wonderful days. Don't trust drug dealers, unless they are FDA approved. Percs mess me up man. Yes. 100% absolutely. I agree. My percs came straight from the pharmacy, (For 4.00 for 90 tabs ! ! ) and I knew I was getting the good stuff. |
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Post by ratrad on Jul 18, 2008 12:55:15 GMT -5
You're forgetting the main point FUCKTARD. If you label your addiction of choice as a disease, you no longer are responsible for it and have free range to drink as much as you possibly want, because you cant help it. I'm very addicted to nicotine, but i don't consider it a disease. If i wanted to stop smoking, i guarantee i could and would. I am not saying it wouldn't suck and be difficult, but it is my responsibility for what i'm doing to my lungs, and its my responsibility to stop whenever i choose to (probably soon though because as much as i enjoy smoking, i have abused my lungs plenty long at this point). Wait nevermind, i have a disease, so i dont have to worry about it, ill just keep smoking until they come out with a prescription drug i can take to cure myself! Exactly. That South Park episode was one of the most enlightening things I've seen on the subject. PS I'm Psychology grad student and there seems to be a turning around on the belief that alcoholism is a disease. Disorder? Yes! Disease? No. |
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 18, 2008 12:59:03 GMT -5
You're forgetting the main point FUCKTARD. If you label your addiction of choice as a disease, you no longer are responsible for it and have free range to drink as much as you possibly want, because you cant help it. I'm very addicted to nicotine, but i don't consider it a disease. If i wanted to stop smoking, i guarantee i could and would. I am not saying it wouldn't suck and be difficult, but it is my responsibility for what i'm doing to my lungs, and its my responsibility to stop whenever i choose to (probably soon though because as much as i enjoy smoking, i have abused my lungs plenty long at this point). Wait nevermind, i have a disease, so i dont have to worry about it, ill just keep smoking until they come out with a prescription drug i can take to cure myself! Exactly. That South Park episode was one of the most enlightening things I've seen on the subject. PS I'm Psychology grad student and there seems to be a turning around on the belief that alcoholism is a disease. Disorder? Yes! Disease? No. Speaking of...Is it Happy Hour yet??? |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Jul 18, 2008 13:04:25 GMT -5
Exactly. That South Park episode was one of the most enlightening things I've seen on the subject. PS I'm Psychology grad student and there seems to be a turning around on the belief that alcoholism is a disease. Disorder? Yes! Disease? No. Speaking of...Is it Happy Hour yet??? Brother it's F off Friday, it's 5 O'Clock all day long |
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Post by overheadpageme on Jul 20, 2008 23:29:46 GMT -5
Here's a question or two .... What about the people who were born before alcohol and or drugs were readily/easily available ? and... If an addict were suddenly stranded on a deseretd island with no access to drugs or alcohol for 5, 10, 20 years, are they still an addict ? Do they still have the disease ? Was alcohol ever not readily available? And marijuana has been smoked probably for centuries |
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Post by Zee on Jul 21, 2008 8:03:40 GMT -5
Here's a question or two .... What about the people who were born before alcohol and or drugs were readily/easily available ? and... If an addict were suddenly stranded on a deseretd island with no access to drugs or alcohol for 5, 10, 20 years, are they still an addict ? Do they still have the disease ? What is your point? My kids have Celiac disease... if they consume wheat, rye, oats, or barely it attacks their digestive system and immune system. They have a gluten free diet and live normally... but they still have Celiac disease. |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Jul 21, 2008 8:25:03 GMT -5
Here's a question or two .... What about the people who were born before alcohol and or drugs were readily/easily available ? and... If an addict were suddenly stranded on a deseretd island with no access to drugs or alcohol for 5, 10, 20 years, are they still an addict ? Do they still have the disease ? The disease is being easily addicted to a substance. Take the substance away and they aren't sick, but they still have the disease...before alcohol there was still marijuana growing wild somewhere...it wasn't just created in the 60's. I'm sure a caveman or two ate a few poppies or a MJ plant...we can therorize that a caveman got all potted down sat on his rock couch and watched cave art all night instead of hunting and then died drugs are bad mmkay? |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 21, 2008 17:55:46 GMT -5
Was alcohol ever not readily available? And marijuana has been smoked probably for centuries Yes, it was called prohibition, and it was short lived. /sarcasm But look at how well prohibition is currently working for pot! /end sarcasm |
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