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Post by patfromportland on Aug 7, 2008 15:24:51 GMT -5
To me the whole concept is a little shady. So there is this guy in heaven (living by himself i guess) and one day he decides to create stuff. Not only does he create stuff but everything he creates has to "worship" him. Except one time people didnt worship him so he killed everybody except for two of each animal. Sounds kinda full of himself to me.
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Post by Queenie on Aug 7, 2008 15:36:08 GMT -5
To me the whole concept is a little shady. So there is this guy in heaven (living by himself i guess) and one day he decides to create stuff. Not only does he create stuff but everything he creates has to "worship" him. Except one time people didnt worship him so he killed everybody except for two of each animal. Sounds kinda full of himself to me. God did not destroy the world because people did not worship Him. You obviously do not know much about the Bible. Noah, his wife, and 2 sons and their wives were on the Ark. Finish your homework. |
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Post by Joe's Schwantz on Aug 7, 2008 16:10:23 GMT -5
There are families who do and they are subsequently sued which gives this "church" the financial ability to continue on with this crap. I hear that is their main source of income  Now THAT is outrageous. I can't believe the law would side with those people after seeing what they do. I agree with FB&HW that our justice system is busted. For someone to protest a funeral with all of those unbelievable signs, they should get their ass kicked without consequence. |
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Post by patfromportland on Aug 7, 2008 16:41:55 GMT -5
To me the whole concept is a little shady. So there is this guy in heaven (living by himself i guess) and one day he decides to create stuff. Not only does he create stuff but everything he creates has to "worship" him. Except one time people didnt worship him so he killed everybody except for two of each animal. Sounds kinda full of himself to me. God did not destroy the world because people did not worship Him. You obviously do not know much about the Bible. Noah, his wife, and 2 sons and their wives were on the Ark. Finish your homework. No reason to get angry or insulting. It was my impression that god created the flood because people kinda forgot about him and didnt worship like he pleased. But if im wrong, then please enlighten me. I dont know why Queen, but you seem to have it out for me and i dont know why. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 7, 2008 17:05:10 GMT -5
westboro is an embarassment to believers
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 7, 2008 17:37:01 GMT -5
What is the point in believing in something that does nothing otherwise? Wouldn’t he alter the universe to benefit those that believe in him? Someone school me in God’s powers… This is probably your biggest stumbling block to faith and I can completely understand your opposition to same. Who would want to love a god who controlled their every action? Would you as a parent try to control every thought and action of your child? Of course not. Neither does God. My Dad sure tried, were estranged now... |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 7, 2008 18:08:44 GMT -5
But my question is would god allow people to perform these acts using his name? If yes he is evil, if no then I believe he is in the wrong for not striking them down where they stand. Our own individual lives are what we individually make them. God has no power over free will. Please note Exodus 4:21 The Lord said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go."Also please note Romans 9:14-18 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on mans desire or effort, but Gods mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and hardens whom he wants to harden.Any thoughts? |
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Post by Queenie on Aug 7, 2008 18:47:58 GMT -5
No reason to get angry or insulting. It was my impression that god created the flood because people kinda forgot about him and didnt worship like he pleased. But if im wrong, then please enlighten me. I dont know why Queen, but you seem to have it out for me and i dont know why. Sweetheart . . there is no anger in that post. I'm am just pointing out that when you decide to challenge me on my posts, please make sure you have done your homework. +1 to you in the sake of friendliness!! |
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Post by killerb on Aug 7, 2008 19:54:06 GMT -5
How does god select who, what , when or where he uses his powers and/or abilities? If you beleive in "miracles" for instance, god has used his power to alter the outcome of a specific event due to one of his childrens "free will" in most cases. Why is it OK to change that outcome and not use his power to make WBC's brakes go out on a curvy road on the way to protest a soldier killed for this country? Where's the justice?
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Post by Queenie on Aug 8, 2008 5:52:20 GMT -5
How does god select who, what , when or where he uses his powers and/or abilities? If you beleive in "miracles" for instance, god has used his power to alter the outcome of a specific event due to one of his childrens "free will" in most cases. Why is it OK to change that outcome and not use his power to make WBC's brakes go out on a curvy road on the way to protest a soldier killed for this country? Where's the justice? If you read much of the Bible, you will know that the miracles that God performs are almost always of a positive nature, such as healing the sick, or preventing an accident, etc. God does not perform evil miracles. However, you can, by not following His word, run your life into a ditch. That is not the work of God, that is by your own doing. |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Aug 8, 2008 7:44:32 GMT -5
To me the whole concept is a little shady. So there is this guy in heaven (living by himself i guess) and one day he decides to create stuff. Not only does he create stuff but everything he creates has to "worship" him. Except one time people didnt worship him so he killed everybody except for two of each animal. Sounds kinda full of himself to me. God in a nutshell: God was in heaven with the angels. Satan, the angel of music and the most beautiful angel, decided that he was higher than God. God banished Satan from heaven and Satan took one third of the angels, who sided with Satan, with him. They became demons. God wanted to prove to the angels, demons, and Satan that He was just in this decision so he created man and gave him free will. The world and the people were perfect but there was the "fruit" of knowledge of good and evil. The people, using free will, ate the fruit and became fully aware of sin. God could have interceded but he wanted to show that he was just and full of mercy. He allowed them to choose to worship him or not. Men, utilizing free will, became evermore evil. Some of the demons took on a human form so that they could have sex with humans and taint the bloodline of Adam (which would eventually be the bloodline of Jesus). God saw that Satan was trying to usurp God again so he had to destroy all the people save for two whose bloodline hadn't been tainted. The world, as it was known to man, became populated again and God set up laws for man to follow. God told them, through Moses, that if they broke these laws that they would have to sacrifice something of value (usually perfect lambs which people depended upon for money etc) to them to show that they were truly repentful. Man failed again because man is fallible. God sent Jesus, who was without sin, to earth to teach man about God. Man, through the wiles of Satan, killed Jesus and Satan thought he had usurped God. However, Jesus being without sin, became the sacrificial lamb that was sacrificed for all of man's sin. His death reconciled man to God once and for all. The only stipulation is that man has free will to choose to accept that reconciliation or deny it. |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Aug 8, 2008 7:46:13 GMT -5
How does god select who, what , when or where he uses his powers and/or abilities? If you beleive in "miracles" for instance, god has used his power to alter the outcome of a specific event due to one of his childrens "free will" in most cases. Why is it OK to change that outcome and not use his power to make WBC's brakes go out on a curvy road on the way to protest a soldier killed for this country? Where's the justice? Those are questions that humans shouldn't answer IMO. I am not smart or presumptuous enough to know why certain things are allowed to happen but I do know that they happen for a reason. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 8, 2008 7:57:05 GMT -5
well done biff.
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Post by dasbow on Aug 8, 2008 8:00:27 GMT -5
To me the whole concept is a little shady. So there is this guy in heaven (living by himself i guess) and one day he decides to create stuff. Not only does he create stuff but everything he creates has to "worship" him. Except one time people didnt worship him so he killed everybody except for two of each animal. Sounds kinda full of himself to me. God in a nutshell: God was in heaven with the angels. Satan, the angel of music and the most beautiful angel, decided that he was higher than God. God banished Satan from heaven and Satan took one third of the angels, who sided with Satan, with him. They became demons. God wanted to prove to the angels, demons, and Satan that He was just in this decision so he created man and gave him free will. The world and the people were perfect but there was the "fruit" of knowledge of good and evil. The people, using free will, ate the fruit and became fully aware of sin. God could have interceded but he wanted to show that he was just and full of mercy. He allowed them to choose to worship him or not. Men, utilizing free will, became evermore evil. Some of the demons took on a human form so that they could have sex with humans and taint the bloodline of Adam (which would eventually be the bloodline of Jesus). God saw that Satan was trying to usurp God again so he had to destroy all the people save for two whose bloodline hadn't been tainted. The world, as it was known to man, became populated again and God set up laws for man to follow. God told them, through Moses, that if they broke these laws that they would have to sacrifice something of value (usually perfect lambs which people depended upon for money etc) to them to show that they were truly repentful. Man failed again because man is fallible. God sent Jesus, who was without sin, to earth to teach man about God. Man, through the wiles of Satan, killed Jesus and Satan thought he had usurped God. However, Jesus being without sin, became the sacrificial lamb that was sacrificed for all of man's sin. His death reconciled man to God once and for all. The only stipulation is that man has free will to choose to accept that reconciliation or deny it. National Lampoon (or maybe the Onion, can't remember) had Cliffs Notes of Cliffs Notes. The Bible was summarized something like this: In the beginning, God created Man, and everything Man has done has been pissing God off ever since. |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Aug 8, 2008 8:02:47 GMT -5
In the beginning, God created Man, and everything Man has done has been pissing God off ever since. That is beautiful! |
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Post by Queenie on Aug 8, 2008 8:45:45 GMT -5
In the beginning, God created Man, and everything Man has done has been pissing God off ever since. Exalt! |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 8, 2008 9:09:52 GMT -5
*shrug*
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Post by plungerhand on Aug 8, 2008 9:15:46 GMT -5
Don't worry WP, I'll save you a seat in hell.. |
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Post by Queenie on Aug 8, 2008 9:16:08 GMT -5
It's okay Poopie. Whether you believe or not and whether you like it or not, God loves you and He will always accept you. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 8, 2008 9:53:08 GMT -5
Our own individual lives are what we individually make them. God has no power over free will. Please note Exodus 4:21 The Lord said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go."Also please note Romans 9:14-18 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on mans desire or effort, but Gods mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and hardens whom he wants to harden.Any thoughts? Its a riddle wrapped in an enigma in an unknowable little package. How on one hand we have totally freewill yet God sets up everything for His own good. How God is omnipresent, all knowing, and all powerful, yet surprisingly aloof. Instead of where's Waldo, it's become where's God? Is he in your heart? Is he in the trees? Is he in outer space? Is he nowhere? Is he everywhere? Is he real? Is he a figment of our collective imaginations? This is why I am agnostic. Who really knows. Maybe he exists, Maybe he doesn't. If you know in your heart he does, well then he does. If you haven't yet been convinced, well then he doesn't. |
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Post by Queenie on Aug 8, 2008 11:23:55 GMT -5
Please note Exodus 4:21 The Lord said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go."Also please note Romans 9:14-18 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on mans desire or effort, but Gods mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and hardens whom he wants to harden.Any thoughts? Its a riddle wrapped in an enigma in an unknowable little package. How on one hand we have totally freewill yet God sets up everything for His own good. How God is omnipresent, all knowing, and all powerful, yet surprisingly aloof. Instead of where's Waldo, it's become where's God? Is he in your heart? Is he in the trees? Is he in outer space? Is he nowhere? Is he everywhere? Is he real? Is he a figment of our collective imaginations? This is why I am agnostic. Who really knows. Maybe he exists, Maybe he doesn't. If you know in your heart he does, well then he does. If you haven't yet been convinced, well then he doesn't. Open the eyes of your heart and allow him to come in. It's awesome!! Let me ask you a question maddog . . . do you have that little voice in your head that talks to you sometimes? Like when you start to do something and the little voice says, "you know better" or "maybe I need to think a little more before doing this"? If so, then there is a God in your world. That's Him!! He is always present and accounted for!! |
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Post by speedbump on Aug 8, 2008 13:05:31 GMT -5
I'll through my hat in there and say I'm with wiener poopie on this one, what Biff posted reads like a fairy tale to me.
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Post by Queenie on Aug 8, 2008 14:07:17 GMT -5
I'll through my hat in there and say I'm with wiener poopie on this one, what Biff posted reads like a fairy tale to me. It's not a fairy tale but it sure can end like one . . . it's a personal decision. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Aug 8, 2008 14:35:55 GMT -5
I'll through my hat in there and say I'm with wiener poopie on this one, what Biff posted reads like a fairy tale to me. One fairy tale, one author, a thousand versions, a million Narrators… |
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Post by Queenie on Aug 8, 2008 15:20:35 GMT -5
I'll through my hat in there and say I'm with wiener poopie on this one, what Biff posted reads like a fairy tale to me. One fairy tale, one author, a thousand versions, a million Narrators… All you have to do is believe! |
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Post by patfromportland on Aug 10, 2008 10:00:51 GMT -5
To me the whole concept is a little shady. So there is this guy in heaven (living by himself i guess) and one day he decides to create stuff. Not only does he create stuff but everything he creates has to "worship" him. Except one time people didnt worship him so he killed everybody except for two of each animal. Sounds kinda full of himself to me. God in a nutshell: God was in heaven with the angels. Satan, the angel of music and the most beautiful angel, decided that he was higher than God. God banished Satan from heaven and Satan took one third of the angels, who sided with Satan, with him. They became demons. God wanted to prove to the angels, demons, and Satan that He was just in this decision so he created man and gave him free will. The world and the people were perfect but there was the "fruit" of knowledge of good and evil. The people, using free will, ate the fruit and became fully aware of sin. God could have interceded but he wanted to show that he was just and full of mercy. He allowed them to choose to worship him or not. Men, utilizing free will, became evermore evil. Some of the demons took on a human form so that they could have sex with humans and taint the bloodline of Adam (which would eventually be the bloodline of Jesus). God saw that Satan was trying to usurp God again so he had to destroy all the people save for two whose bloodline hadn't been tainted. The world, as it was known to man, became populated again and God set up laws for man to follow. God told them, through Moses, that if they broke these laws that they would have to sacrifice something of value (usually perfect lambs which people depended upon for money etc) to them to show that they were truly repentful. Man failed again because man is fallible. God sent Jesus, who was without sin, to earth to teach man about God. Man, through the wiles of Satan, killed Jesus and Satan thought he had usurped God. However, Jesus being without sin, became the sacrificial lamb that was sacrificed for all of man's sin. His death reconciled man to God once and for all. The only stipulation is that man has free will to choose to accept that reconciliation or deny it. Thank you so much for this. However, I do have one question: was all this stuff actually in the bible or was this all made up by catholics over the years? Or both? |
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Post by nurveen on Aug 10, 2008 11:29:24 GMT -5
Please note Exodus 4:21 The Lord said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go."Also please note Romans 9:14-18 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on mans desire or effort, but Gods mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and hardens whom he wants to harden.Any thoughts? Its a riddle wrapped in an enigma in an unknowable little package. How on one hand we have totally freewill yet God sets up everything for His own good. How God is omnipresent, all knowing, and all powerful, yet surprisingly aloof. Instead of where's Waldo, it's become where's God? Is he in your heart? Is he in the trees? Is he in outer space? Is he nowhere? Is he everywhere? Is he real? Is he a figment of our collective imaginations? This is why I am agnostic. Who really knows. Maybe he exists, Maybe he doesn't. If you know in your heart he does, well then he does. If you haven't yet been convinced, well then he doesn't. |
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Post by nurveen on Aug 10, 2008 11:30:27 GMT -5
Please note Exodus 4:21 The Lord said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go."Also please note Romans 9:14-18 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, " I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and compassion on whom I have compassion." It does not, therefore, depend on mans desire or effort, but Gods mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and hardens whom he wants to harden.Any thoughts? Its a riddle wrapped in an enigma in an unknowable little package. How on one hand we have totally freewill yet God sets up everything for His own good. How God is omnipresent, all knowing, and all powerful, yet surprisingly aloof. Instead of where's Waldo, it's become where's God? Is he in your heart? Is he in the trees? Is he in outer space? Is he nowhere? Is he everywhere? Is he real? Is he a figment of our collective imaginations? This is why I am agnostic. Who really knows. Maybe he exists, Maybe he doesn't. If you know in your heart he does, well then he does. If you haven't yet been convinced, well then he doesn't. It's called Faith! |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Aug 10, 2008 12:50:31 GMT -5
Thank you so much for this. However, I do have one question: was all this stuff actually in the bible or was this all made up by catholics over the years? Or both? It's in the bible. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Aug 10, 2008 17:05:57 GMT -5
Personally, my biggest block to accepting Christianity, or any religion, is the Bible.
It's a book. Written words passed along from generation to genreation, and supposedly not one word has been changed or altered. I just can't buy that.
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