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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Sept 2, 2008 4:47:12 GMT -5
If an 18 y/o kid is old enough to decide to put his life on the line and join the military, he's old enough to have a beer.
I am fully in support of military exemption for under 21 alcohol consumption.
I would also support harsher penalties when these newly exempt young drinkers get a DUI or provide alcohol for other non exempt minors.
Join the army ? You deserve a beer.
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Post by potthole on Sept 2, 2008 5:44:08 GMT -5
Why is this in this board?
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Post by Fistor on Sept 2, 2008 11:19:27 GMT -5
When I was in my 20's, I would agree. Now that I see how incredibly irresponsible and wreckless a major portion of the younger set is with alcohol (myself very much included back in the day), the thought gives me shivers.
I say raise it to 25.
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Post by plungerhand on Sept 2, 2008 11:48:05 GMT -5
Drug's and alcohol are more readily available than ever. The kids are gonna do it no matter what. Raising the drinking age to compensate for the retarded parents who have FAILED this generation(everyone is to blame), is like closing the barn door after the horse is already gone.
Too little too late, reap what you've sewn.
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Post by Fistor on Sept 2, 2008 13:13:05 GMT -5
Drug's and alcohol are more readily available than ever. The kids are gonna do it no matter what. Raising the drinking age to compensate for the retarded parents who have FAILED this generation(everyone is to blame), is like closing the barn door after the horse is already gone. Too little too late, reap what you've sewn. Bit harsh, don't you think? You consider a parent a failure if junior gets bombed with his friends? |
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Post by Dino on Sept 2, 2008 13:16:38 GMT -5
You consider a parent a failure if junior gets bombed with his friends? I consider it as high school!  |
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Post by Mad Dog on Sept 2, 2008 14:45:57 GMT -5
Hey guess what? Do you know how much say my parents had over me the day I turned eighteen and left the house?? Zero. After you leave thats it, pretty much your gonna do what your gonna do. Adults between the ages of 18 and 21 are forced to break the law in order to be "Adults". If your smart and sneaky your probably not gonna get caught. If your dumb and loud you probably will. The current law really doesn't make a difference one way or another so I say get rid of it.
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Post by patfromportland on Sept 2, 2008 15:00:25 GMT -5
Being in high school I dont think it makes a difference what the drinking age is. Kids are going to do it no matter what the law is. For the record I dont drink.
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Post by plungerhand on Sept 2, 2008 15:15:12 GMT -5
Drug's and alcohol are more readily available than ever. The kids are gonna do it no matter what. Raising the drinking age to compensate for the retarded parents who have FAILED this generation(everyone is to blame), is like closing the barn door after the horse is already gone. Too little too late, reap what you've sewn. Bit harsh, don't you think? You consider a parent a failure if junior gets bombed with his friends? Who's got shivers?^^^^ I was just stating raising the legal age isn't the solution. I fell under the grand-father clause and was legal at 19. Got served in bars with my parents there before that.( rural WI/MN). Non experienced drinkers are less likely to do something stupid leaving a public bar, than a private party. It doesn't affect me either way, my kids know not to touch my beer... And yes I believe WE have failed the next generation as parents. It's only going to get worse. |
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Post by Rock Monster on Sept 2, 2008 15:18:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I agree with FUCKTARD...kind of.
I think they should either lower the drinking age to 18, or raise the voting, military, and legal adult age to 21. It just doesn't seem right that you can get married, but can't have champagne at your own wedding.
edit: I need to learn how to spell check before I hit the post button.
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Post by patfromportland on Sept 2, 2008 16:10:59 GMT -5
Hey guess what? Do you know how much say my parents had over me the day I turned eighteen and left the house?? Zero. After you leave thats it, pretty much your gonna do what your gonna do. Adults between the ages of 18 and 21 are forced to break the law in order to be "Adults". If your smart and sneaky your probably not gonna get caught. If your dumb and loud you probably will. The current law really doesn't make a difference one way or another so I say get rid of it. Just because people break a law often does not mean that you should get rid of it. If everybody went around shop lifting would you say "well, if everybodys doin it, might as well alow it"? The real problem isnt the law, it's parenting. From a high school perspective, I can tell you that is the number one reason kids are able to drink. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Sept 2, 2008 20:25:38 GMT -5
Why is this in this board? Because they talked about it ON the show Just like the protest thread. They were both show topics. |
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Post by potthole on Sept 2, 2008 20:48:58 GMT -5
Why is this in this board? Because they talked about it ON the show Just like the protest thread. They were both show topics. That I did not know. Which is why I asked. For the record, I did not move the threads, I was going to wait until you answered, FUCKTARD. Given the nature of the topic in this thread, however, I'm going to leave it here in this current board. I will check to see if any of the other mods would mind me moving the protest thread back to the main FBHW board. |
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Post by potthole on Sept 2, 2008 20:52:40 GMT -5
As for my opinion on the topic at hand...
I'd be ok with moving the drinking age down to 18, but I think that if it were to be done, there would also need to be some more serious teaching done about responsible drinking done to children.
I'm usually not one to say it should be up to schools to teach certain things to kids, safe drinking being one of them, but because I personally doubt that parents would do the proper job of it, I'd almost think that it would have to be up to the schools. A "Drinking Ed" class would be a good idea, but I don't ever see something like that flying.
When I spent some time in Germany after high school, I saw that it is possible for teenagers to drink, and to drink with responsibility. The key, though, is that most of the kids I met, had all been taught about the responsibilities needed when consuming alcohol.
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Post by Mad Dog on Sept 2, 2008 21:10:07 GMT -5
Hey guess what? Do you know how much say my parents had over me the day I turned eighteen and left the house?? Zero. After you leave thats it, pretty much your gonna do what your gonna do. Adults between the ages of 18 and 21 are forced to break the law in order to be "Adults". If your smart and sneaky your probably not gonna get caught. If your dumb and loud you probably will. The current law really doesn't make a difference one way or another so I say get rid of it. Just because people break a law often does not mean that you should get rid of it. If everybody went around shop lifting would you say "well, if everybodys doin it, might as well alow it"? The real problem isnt the law, it's parenting. From a high school perspective, I can tell you that is the number one reason kids are able to drink. True enough, but shoplifting is illegal for all adults. Drinking is only illegal for some adults. If you haven't got your parenting done before they hit 18, your damn sure not going to get any done after, especially if they go away and don't want to here it. |
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Post by patfromportland on Sept 2, 2008 21:24:21 GMT -5
Just because people break a law often does not mean that you should get rid of it. If everybody went around shop lifting would you say "well, if everybody's doin it, might as well allow it"? The real problem isn't the law, it's parenting. From a high school perspective, I can tell you that is the number one reason kids are able to drink. True enough, but shoplifting is illegal for all adults. Drinking is only illegal for some adults. If you haven't got your parenting done before they hit 18, your damn sure not going to get any done after, especially if they go away and don't want to here it. But if you have thoroughly taught your child morals and values, they would be less likely to drink. However, I know it is nearly impossible for anyone in college not to drink, but I think it would lessen the blow. I also would not call 18-20 year olds "adults". Another reason i think its a bad idea is because its not only going to affect 18-20 year olds. Like Zane said, it's just more people that are able to buy booze for minors. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Sept 3, 2008 7:48:46 GMT -5
Potty, I'm not too concerned as to where a thread gets posted, if it's active and people are reading it let it go where it may,
I want to state VERY clearly my opinion on the matter of drinking, because the thread title might leave my opinion a bit ambigious.
I am ONLY for giving an under 21 drinking exemption to those who have joined the military.
Military exemption only.
Turn 18, join the army, GD it, you can have a beer and a shot if you want.
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Post by Dino on Sept 3, 2008 8:11:47 GMT -5
Potty, I'm not too concerned as to where a thread gets posted, if it's active and people are reading it let it go where it may Unfortunately we do have to be concerned just so that things are kept organized. We just try to keep things in places where most can easily find it so that it remains an active topic that people can participate in. As for the drinking age, I cracked my first beer at the age of 16 and I turned out okay......well, I think i did :-) as with many issues responsibility begins at home. If parents would start teaching it with regards to alcohol than I wouldn't have any problem lowering it. If things remain reckless and douche bag parents can't or won't do their job correctly then it should remain. |
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Post by wingospagettio on Sept 3, 2008 9:24:15 GMT -5
18 year olds can barely operate a vehicle as it is now with cell phones, mp3, gps in the car. I'm afraid the drunk driving accidents would increase 100% when adding a lower drinking age to the equation. I would give thought to FUCKTARD's suggestion though.
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Post by Allyson on Sept 3, 2008 12:25:06 GMT -5
I don't think it matters what the drinking age is. Legalize alcohol for everyone regardless of age, or ban it from the country, I'm pretty sure teenagers are going to drink themselves into oblivion like they do already.
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Post by jaydethespaz on Sept 3, 2008 12:31:22 GMT -5
Why is this in this board? Because it's a touch subject potthole. But sadly, i have to agree with FUCKTARD on this one. |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Sept 3, 2008 12:47:25 GMT -5
Why is this in this board? Because it's a touch subject potthole. But sadly, i have to agree with FUCKTARD on this one. LOL YEAH WHAT SHE SAID ! ! ! |
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Post by jaydethespaz on Sept 3, 2008 12:57:07 GMT -5
Because it's a touch subject potthole. But sadly, i have to agree with FUCKTARD on this one. LOL YEAH WHAT SHE SAID ! ! ! I thought you loved me FUCKTARD? i don't get karma for agreeing with you? (j/k) |
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Post by FUCKTARD ! on Sept 3, 2008 13:22:27 GMT -5
LOL YEAH WHAT SHE SAID ! ! ! I thought you loved me FUCKTARD? i don't get karma for agreeing with you? (j/k) +1 for agreeing with me, -1 for using J/K sorry. |
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Post by Howie Feltersnatch on Sept 3, 2008 13:31:53 GMT -5
I thought you loved me FUCKTARD? i don't get karma for agreeing with you? (j/k) +1 for agreeing with me, -1 for using J/K sorry.  side note, I google image searched 'nelson ha ha' and got this image, along with three penises.... |
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Post by potthole on Sept 3, 2008 16:53:09 GMT -5
Why is this in this board? Because it's a touch subject potthole. But sadly, i have to agree with FUCKTARD on this one. No crap, that's why I left it here.  When I made that initial post that you quoted, the thread was in the main FBHW board. At the time, I didn't realize this had been spoken about on the show, and figured FUCKTARD was just spamming. |
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Post by providencecrow on Sept 3, 2008 17:03:04 GMT -5
Seriously though, just get rid of the drinking age all together and let the darwin awards sort out the gene pool.
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Sept 3, 2008 19:09:57 GMT -5
People who join the military can drink alcohol at age 18 on base. In fact the base I was on sold beer in vending machines at the laundromat.
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Post by Torque on Sept 3, 2008 20:17:31 GMT -5
I agree, lower/raising the drinking age would be counter productive. My parents like the occasional drink, never seen them drunk, or even tipsy really, but from the time I was little they let me try what they were having and I thought it was disgusting. I managed to wait til I was 21 b/c I had no interest in it, there was no forbidden mystique, plus I'm a big fan of my liver. Hell, I graduated from Penn State having never gotten smashed, most people see that as a failure but I think its quite an accomplishment.
Oh, 2 of my buddies just got back from Iraq and they couldn't get alcohol anywhere while over there when on base, (one's 18, the other's 21); but when they got picked up to head to the airport to head home, the driver handed them each a bottle of Jim Beam
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Post by plungerhand on Sept 4, 2008 11:52:12 GMT -5
People who join the military can drink alcohol at age 18 on base. In fact the base I was on sold beer in vending machines at the laundromat. In '88-89', before some dumbass got killed tipping a vending machine on himself, in our barracks we had $ .75 16 0z Heineken's in the can. |
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