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Post by toddlerfondler on Jul 18, 2008 13:49:08 GMT -5
The depth of the corruption into Christianity ruins the religion. From Henry VIII killing clergy to get a divorce all the way to the Council of Nicaea. Crusades, televangelists, bills in the mail from the church telling you you haven't contributed enough, The Dead Sea Scrolls, and the lack of evolution.
Each a good reason to not trust the religion, I think there is a higher power. But he's neither good or evil, and there's no heaven. You got one shot, make it good.
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Post by toddlerfondler on Jul 18, 2008 13:50:09 GMT -5
Big Bang.... Religion was invented to control the masses. Exalt! |
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 18, 2008 13:58:24 GMT -5
All you have to do is look at the different species of man, both extinct and living to witness evolution.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 18, 2008 14:00:27 GMT -5
im really interested if you actually believe in the big bang. How can you actually think that with the complexity of our earth that it was created by an accident? Look at yourself once. Look at the intricacies of the human body, and everything in general. You are telling me this was a "cosmic accident"? I really dont understand it. If you actually LOOK for GOD you will find him. However, if you keep your back turned and refuse to acknowledge it you won't find Him. And yes, Churches and organized religion is corrupt. But do not confuse faith with religion. The purpose of the Church is to provide a community of believers and to help build knowledge on your faith. You don't believe in "Christianity". You believe in GOD, and that Jesus died as your savior. So any argument against "religion" is not against the belief system/faith behind Christianity.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 18, 2008 14:02:36 GMT -5
And there is no such thing as evolution. Find me some evidence, Adaptation yes, Evolution no. But its no sense in me arguing with you because I'm not going to try to convince you that what I believe is right. You will believe what you want to believe whether I talk or not. GOD is there, but if you don't look for Him, you won't find Him.
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 18, 2008 14:09:01 GMT -5
And there is no such thing as evolution. Find me some evidence, Adaptation yes, Evolution no. But its no sense in me arguing with you because I'm not going to try to convince you that what I believe is right. You will believe what you want to believe whether I talk or not. GOD is there, but if you don't look for Him, you won't find Him. I don't believe there is anyone on this planet qualified to tell me that THEIR beliefs are fact. All religions ARE corrupt. I would rather take my chances in my own beliefs, than bet on a sure loser. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 18, 2008 14:10:18 GMT -5
Do people that believe in God believe in aliens or that there is life on other planets?
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 18, 2008 14:11:34 GMT -5
And there is no such thing as evolution. Find me some evidence, Adaptation yes, Evolution no. But its no sense in me arguing with you because I'm not going to try to convince you that what I believe is right. You will believe what you want to believe whether I talk or not. GOD is there, but if you don't look for Him, you won't find Him. I don't believe there is anyone on this planet qualified to tell me that THEIR beliefs are fact. All religions ARE corrupt. I would rather take my chances in my own beliefs, than bet on a sure loser. sorry you feel that way |
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 18, 2008 14:12:45 GMT -5
Do people that believe in God believe in aliens or that there is life on other planets? Or is god an alien? |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 18, 2008 14:13:04 GMT -5
Do people that believe in God believe in aliens or that there is life on other planets? I obviously can't speak for all believers but I do not. I don't know if you have ever read the BIBLE before but GOD creates earth, and then creates humans. I believe the BIBLE clearly states one earth, and then GOD created the universes. (Read up on Genesis if you want) |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 18, 2008 14:14:48 GMT -5
If they find life on other planets would that prove the bible wrong?
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 18, 2008 14:16:50 GMT -5
no, because it never specifically says that there only life on earth. But i believe there is no life on other planets.
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 18, 2008 14:18:01 GMT -5
Do people that believe in God believe in aliens or that there is life on other planets? I obviously can't speak for all believers but I do not. I don't know if you have ever read the BIBLE before but GOD creates earth, and then creates humans. I believe the BIBLE clearly states one earth, and then GOD created the universes. (Read up on Genesis if you want) the bible is YOUR interpretation. Find me a group of 10 people and you'll find 10 different interpretations. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 18, 2008 15:22:44 GMT -5
And there is no such thing as evolution. Find me some evidence, Adaptation yes, Evolution no. But its no sense in me arguing with you because I'm not going to try to convince you that what I believe is right. You will believe what you want to believe whether I talk or not. GOD is there, but if you don't look for Him, you won't find Him. After saying something like this, I know me arguing has a 99.9% chance of futility, but I am damn well going to try. www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/32801/title/Replaying_evolution_This is an experiment done on E-coli, over 44,000 generations. The e-coli were given a limited supply of food, but enough to survive and placed in citrate. After 31,000 generations the e-coli developed a new ability to absorb nutrients from the citrate. Since a specimen was frozen from every 500, then went back to the 20,000 generation and found that if you started with e-coli from this point, they were much more likely to develop the abiliity to absorb citrate. In the process leading to this new ability, they found that two genetic drift's occurred, and after each drift the chance that e-coli would develop the absorbing ability increased. After seeing this, how can you not believe in Evolution? I'll remind you of the definition in case you forgot. "In biology, evolution is the process of change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. The genes that are passed on to an organism's offspring produce the inherited traits that are the basis of evolution. Mutations in genes can produce new or altered traits in individuals, resulting in the appearance of heritable differences between organisms, but new traits also come from the transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. In species that reproduce sexually, new combinations of genes are produced by genetic recombination, which can increase the variation in traits between organisms. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population." You'll notice that, after 31,000 generations, a major inherited trait changed from one generation to the next. You're welcome. |
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Post by toddlerfondler on Jul 18, 2008 15:42:57 GMT -5
im really interested if you actually believe in the big bang. How can you actually think that with the complexity of our earth that it was created by an accident? Look at yourself once. Look at the intricacies of the human body, and everything in general. You are telling me this was a "cosmic accident"? I really dont understand it. If you actually LOOK for GOD you will find him. However, if you keep your back turned and refuse to acknowledge it you won't find Him. And yes, Churches and organized religion is corrupt. But do not confuse faith with religion. The purpose of the Church is to provide a community of believers and to help build knowledge on your faith. You don't believe in "Christianity". You believe in GOD, and that Jesus died as your savior. So any argument against "religion" is not against the belief system/faith behind Christianity. The Universe is infinite. People "say" they understand what infinite means but your statement shows that you don't. In an infinite environment you will find everything. If you roll a dice an infinite amount of times at least once it will land on an edge. If you make an infinite existence at least once you will get life. Once you have life it will survive. Survival is tha basis of evolution. Ice age coming, those that could survive bred and those that can't die. Now there's a generation more resistant to the cold. Not all the bears in the polar region were white at one point, but the brown ones died because they stuck out and got eaten. What about dinosaurs? I can prove they exist, your bible doesn't mention making them at all. If the father, son, and holy spirit left that out how can you say without a doubt that there's not other things left out? |
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Post by toddlerfondler on Jul 18, 2008 15:58:25 GMT -5
The fact is a lot of "bad" people though out history saw a group of people that would believe things without fact or proof and flocked toward them. The lord is your shepard, that makes you sheep. Because you been conditioned to obey and fear, all someone has to do is say that our freedom, religion, homeland is threatened and you'll follow without question.
America was founded by a brilliant group of men that saw the wars and strife that religions caused the world and set up a place where church and state were separate. Damned if the Christians aren't trying to take that down too. It sucks because I love my country. Apparently the naive have to be reminded how much fun a holy war is every thousand years or so, but there's no more oceans to set up shop across when the heathens start killing each other.
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 18, 2008 18:56:55 GMT -5
im really interested if you actually believe in the big bang. How can you actually think that with the complexity of our earth that it was created by an accident? I dont see how the earths creation was an accident according to the big bang theory  |
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Post by Zee on Jul 20, 2008 17:57:37 GMT -5
I obviously can't speak for all believers but I do not. I don't know if you have ever read the BIBLE before but GOD creates earth, and then creates humans. I believe the BIBLE clearly states one earth, and then GOD created the universes. (Read up on Genesis if you want) the bible is YOUR interpretation. Find me a group of 10 people and you'll find 10 different interpretations. I agree 100%. I have read the Bible front to back on a number of times and I can interpret it to say pretty much anything that I want. There are a lot of people that do exactly that and make the Bible say what they want it to say. There are also people who are looking for answers and trying to find the intended interpretation. Its not as easy at it sounds though. To understand a passage its important to know the historical context and what not. I have fallen away from doctrines created by man that denominations use in addition to the Bible. I personally believe I have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. I think the wages of that sin is eternal death but Jesus paid that price for me by dieing on the cross. I see nothing in the Bible against evolution and personally I believe in evolution. Life on other planets... I really don't have an opinion on that... do I need to have one? Maybe someone could explain the significance of that to me. |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 21, 2008 17:58:54 GMT -5
Life on other planets... I really don't have an opinion on that... do I need to have one? Maybe someone could explain the significance of that to me. Here is the significance: If it is intelligent life, that would be cool. Personally unless we are under an intergalactic assault, i don't really care either way. Statistically there probably is something else out there, but i remain skeptical like with all things until i have definitive proof. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 21, 2008 21:10:18 GMT -5
Life on other planets... I really don't have an opinion on that... do I need to have one? Maybe someone could explain the significance of that to me. Here is the significance: If it is intelligent life, that would be cool. Personally unless we are under an intergalactic assault, i don't really care either way. Statistically there probably is something else out there, but i remain skeptical like with all things until i have definitive proof. Yeah... okay... more intelligent life on this planet 'would be cool.' What is the significance in regards to religion or the existence of God? |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 21, 2008 21:58:52 GMT -5
Here is the significance: If it is intelligent life, that would be cool. Personally unless we are under an intergalactic assault, i don't really care either way. Statistically there probably is something else out there, but i remain skeptical like with all things until i have definitive proof. Yeah... okay... more intelligent life on this planet 'would be cool.' What is the significance in regards to religion or the existence of God? Well one of the core beliefs is that God had made man in his image. More intelligent life out there kind of throws a wrench in the spokes of that theory. It's not really my problem since i am an atheist, which is why i said the significance was that it would be cool. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 21, 2008 22:08:30 GMT -5
Yeah... okay... more intelligent life on this planet 'would be cool.' What is the significance in regards to religion or the existence of God? Well one of the core beliefs is that God had made man in his image. More intelligent life out there kind of throws a wrench in the spokes of that theory. It's not really my problem since i am an atheist, which is why i said the significance was that it would be cool. How does that throw a wrench in the spokes of that theory? |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 21, 2008 22:14:18 GMT -5
Well one of the core beliefs is that God had made man in his image. More intelligent life out there kind of throws a wrench in the spokes of that theory. It's not really my problem since i am an atheist, which is why i said the significance was that it would be cool. How does that throw a wrench in the spokes of that theory? Well there are a number of ways to go with that. What created them? Is it another God, is it the same? What was his purpose for doing that then? If it was made by the christian God, why absolutely no mention of their creation in the Bible? That would be a pretty major hole in the story telling. "oh yeah you know where i created heaven and hell and the earth and man? I kinda got drunk one night and had a bunch of eff ups that i threw on another planet...but don't worry they won't bother you for a few millennium at least" Especially if they came to us way before we had the technology to get to them, they would obviously be more advanced and civilized than us. I mean really, i can't see how Aliens and Christianity can work in any non contradictory way. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 21, 2008 23:56:25 GMT -5
How does that throw a wrench in the spokes of that theory? Well there are a number of ways to go with that. What created them? Is it another God, is it the same? What was his purpose for doing that then? If it was made by the christian God, why absolutely no mention of their creation in the Bible? That would be a pretty major hole in the story telling. "oh yeah you know where i created heaven and hell and the earth and man? I kinda got drunk one night and had a bunch of eff ups that i threw on another planet...but don't worry they won't bother you for a few millennium at least" Especially if they came to us way before we had the technology to get to them, they would obviously be more advanced and civilized than us. I mean really, i can't see how Aliens and Christianity can work in any non contradictory way. God left out a lot of details about creation... he even gave two different accounts of creation in Genesis. Each account had its own purpose. If he did create aliens and didn't account for it in the Bible then I still don't see how that throws a wrench in it. I don't know... I still do not see the significance of aliens to religion. |
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Post by wingospagettio on Jul 22, 2008 5:57:22 GMT -5
My question for those that do not believe in God. Do you celebrate Christmas? Though it is now a *blech*commercial holiday, it started as a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Just wondering if giving up things like that are part of the philosophy.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 22, 2008 6:53:26 GMT -5
How does that throw a wrench in the spokes of that theory? Well there are a number of ways to go with that. What created them? Is it another God, is it the same? What was his purpose for doing that then? If it was made by the christian God, why absolutely no mention of their creation in the Bible? That would be a pretty major hole in the story telling. "oh yeah you know where i created heaven and hell and the earth and man? I kinda got drunk one night and had a bunch of eff ups that i threw on another planet...but don't worry they won't bother you for a few millennium at least" Especially if they came to us way before we had the technology to get to them, they would obviously be more advanced and civilized than us. I mean really, i can't see how Aliens and Christianity can work in any non contradictory way. When you are talking about our GOD please use a little more respect. We respect you, please respect us. Especially the drunk part. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 22, 2008 7:00:55 GMT -5
Well there are a number of ways to go with that. What created them? Is it another God, is it the same? What was his purpose for doing that then? If it was made by the christian God, why absolutely no mention of their creation in the Bible? That would be a pretty major hole in the story telling. "oh yeah you know where i created heaven and hell and the earth and man? I kinda got drunk one night and had a bunch of eff ups that i threw on another planet...but don't worry they won't bother you for a few millennium at least" Especially if they came to us way before we had the technology to get to them, they would obviously be more advanced and civilized than us. I mean really, i can't see how Aliens and Christianity can work in any non contradictory way. When you are talking about our GOD please use a little more respect. We respect you, please respect us. Especially the drunk part. I'm the one that is supposed to be easily offended and I don't read what he said as being disrespectful of God. His argument was that God would have to justify not telling his followers about aliens... his statement helped explain this coming up with a hypothetical way God would explain it. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 22, 2008 8:04:25 GMT -5
My question for those that do not believe in God. Do you celebrate Christmas? Though it is now a *blech*commercial holiday, it started as a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Just wondering if giving up things like that are part of the philosophy. Atheism isn't a philosophy, it's a affirmation of the nonexistence of Gods, or the rejection of theism. One atheist could celebrate Christmas, while another could not. They wouldn't conflict. At this point though, Christmas is a commercial holiday and is widely celebrated by many non-christians. |
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 22, 2008 8:36:02 GMT -5
My question for those that do not believe in God. Do you celebrate Christmas? Though it is now a *blech*commercial holiday, it started as a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ. Just wondering if giving up things like that are part of the philosophy. Atheism isn't a philosophy, it's a affirmation of the nonexistence of Gods, or the rejection of theism. One atheist could celebrate Christmas, while another could not. They wouldn't conflict. At this point though, Christmas is a commercial holiday and is widely celebrated by many non-christians. The PC Police( politically correct) have also ruined Christmas in this country. A lot of "Christians" don't even know the story of Christmas. Remember last Easter when FB&HW grilled the interns on the story of Easter? It was a joke, and by "a joke" I don't mean funny. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 22, 2008 8:47:49 GMT -5
Atheism isn't a philosophy, it's a affirmation of the nonexistence of Gods, or the rejection of theism. One atheist could celebrate Christmas, while another could not. They wouldn't conflict. At this point though, Christmas is a commercial holiday and is widely celebrated by many non-christians. The PC Police( politically correct) have also ruined Christmas in this country. A lot of "Christians" don't even know the story of Christmas. Remember last Easter when FB&HW grilled the interns on the story of Easter? It was a joke, and by "a joke" I don't mean funny. I agree. My four year old knows more about the Christian aspects of Easter and Christmas than those interns. I once heard her challenge a six year old to explain what eggs, bunnies, and baby chicks have to do with Easter. |
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