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Post by shaggytheclown17 on Jul 23, 2008 1:56:05 GMT -5
Atheists suck ass, but not all of them, I know at least one who actually has a conciounce n good morals.
Maybe I don't have such a good understanding of them, I mean why would anyone not believe in God?
Anyway I just associate atheists with satanists, racists n all those other people, evolutionists most of all, those people really need to be enlightened on what is true n false.
Sucks theres so many here, I feel sorry for them.
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 23, 2008 6:20:26 GMT -5
I don't know what races they were. The Bible does not even use the word race in reference to people... it describes them as being of "one blood." They were all part of the human race. I don't even know why that needs to be explained. The wives of Noah's sons were not from the same family as Noah and most likely had different physical features... not to mention its possible that all three sons had different physical features. It needs to be explained because I want to know how a family of eight white people could, in 5000 years, develop into Blacks, Asians, Native americans, and hispanics, and more. I know the bible doesn't say they were all white, but since the old testament condemned people of color (the biblical verse the KKK uses to justify their actions) interracial marriages would not have been accepted. I don't even believe you're serious at this point, but I'll keep trying. In futility. Why do you keep asking questions? It's like you are just waiting for zee or I to trip up and then you'll condemn it all. I think i can speak for zee when i say this, but we DONT know everything. The only One that knows this information is GOD, since he created it all. I really don't understand how you can deny the existence of GOD. Even the existence of a higher being. The fact that an explosion happened and everything you see right now, humans, animals, vegetation were formed from that? Look at the constellations and the planets and tell me you think that just appeared? The beauty of this universe and our planet are unbelievable, and when you look around it's obvious that there was an intelligent design (GOD created.) |
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Post by Zee on Jul 23, 2008 6:51:58 GMT -5
It needs to be explained because I want to know how a family of eight white people could, in 5000 years, develop into Blacks, Asians, Native americans, and hispanics, and more. I know the bible doesn't say they were all white, but since the old testament condemned people of color (the biblical verse the KKK uses to justify their actions) interracial marriages would not have been accepted. I don't even believe you're serious at this point, but I'll keep trying. In futility. Why do you keep asking questions? It's like you are just waiting for zee or I to trip up and then you'll condemn it all. I think i can speak for zee when i say this, but we DONT know everything. The only One that knows this information is GOD, since he created it all. I really don't understand how you can deny the existence of GOD. Even the existence of a higher being. The fact that an explosion happened and everything you see right now, humans, animals, vegetation were formed from that? Look at the constellations and the planets and tell me you think that just appeared? The beauty of this universe and our planet are unbelievable, and when you look around it's obvious that there was an intelligent design (GOD created.) You are right I know that I don't know everything. There are definitely leaps of faith involved in my beliefs that haven't even been addressed yet. I have no problem understanding how different races can come from 8 people 5000 years ago. I can give additional arguments but since he doesn't think that I am serious there is no reason for me to continue a discussion with him. If anyone else is interested in having an intelligent discussion about it I would be interested but its too one sided at this point. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 23, 2008 6:57:45 GMT -5
Atheists suck ass, but not all of them, I know at least one who actually has a conciounce n good morals. Maybe I don't have such a good understanding of them, I mean why would anyone not believe in God? Anyway I just associate atheists with satanists, racists n all those other people, evolutionists most of all, those people really need to be enlightened on what is true n false. Sucks theres so many here, I feel sorry for them. I think it is natural for everyone to question the existence of God to some degree in some point in their life. Atheists suck ass? Well they might but Christians suck ass as well then. All have sinned and deserve eternal condemnation. I have a lot less respect for a Christian hating on atheists then atheists hating on Christians. |
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Post by dingdongyo on Jul 23, 2008 7:22:44 GMT -5
science requires an explanation to everything. religion requires some things to be unexplainable.
you can't defend religion scientifically, or science religiously.
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Post by Fistor on Jul 23, 2008 7:28:04 GMT -5
Atheists suck ass, but not all of them, I know at least one who actually has a conciounce n good morals. Maybe I don't have such a good understanding of them, I mean why would anyone not believe in God? Anyway I just associate atheists with satanists, racists n all those other people, evolutionists most of all, those people really need to be enlightened on what is true n false. Sucks theres so many here, I feel sorry for them. Are atheists on the same par as the men and women who dies for this country, whom you consider "buttholes"? Eh, I'm 18 but nevermind, I'm tierd of dealing with pro Bush people, they can join the army and die with all the rest of those buttholes. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 23, 2008 8:26:41 GMT -5
Atheists suck ass, but not all of them, I know at least one who actually has a conciounce n good morals. Maybe I don't have such a good understanding of them, I mean why would anyone not believe in God? Anyway I just associate atheists with satanists, racists n all those other people, evolutionists most of all, those people really need to be enlightened on what is true n false. Sucks theres so many here, I feel sorry for them. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't believe 9/11 was a terrorist act. What's funny is that racists are, in most cases, are also very religious. Look at the KKK. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 23, 2008 9:15:12 GMT -5
too many people associate themselves with religion. Thats why Christians get such a bad rap. There are too many people that claim to be Christians that are no different than anyone else.
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 23, 2008 9:19:22 GMT -5
too many people associate themselves with religion. Thats why Christians get such a bad rap. There are too many people that claim to be Christians that are no different than anyone else. Too bad you have to love them, too. Your boss said so. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 23, 2008 9:20:51 GMT -5
It needs to be explained because I want to know how a family of eight white people could, in 5000 years, develop into Blacks, Asians, Native americans, and hispanics, and more. I know the bible doesn't say they were all white, but since the old testament condemned people of color (the biblical verse the KKK uses to justify their actions) interracial marriages would not have been accepted. I don't even believe you're serious at this point, but I'll keep trying. In futility. Why do you keep asking questions? It's like you are just waiting for zee or I to trip up and then you'll condemn it all. I think i can speak for zee when i say this, but we DONT know everything. The only One that knows this information is GOD, since he created it all. I really don't understand how you can deny the existence of GOD. Even the existence of a higher being. The fact that an explosion happened and everything you see right now, humans, animals, vegetation were formed from that? Look at the constellations and the planets and tell me you think that just appeared? The beauty of this universe and our planet are unbelievable, and when you look around it's obvious that there was an intelligent design (GOD created.) So, who created God? For realz |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 23, 2008 13:35:31 GMT -5
no one, God has always existed.. I know its hard to think about, but if you believe in the big bang theory, how were the particles in space created? This earth has not been here for eternity (obviously)
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 23, 2008 13:37:45 GMT -5
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Post by dingdongyo on Jul 23, 2008 13:56:50 GMT -5
he was making a point that some things in science can't explain itself to it's own satisfaction. matter can't be created or destroyed, so where did all this matter come from?  religious people are ok with saying that's for god to know. scientific people should be ok with saying we'll never know. otherwise, big long threads like this that really don't accomplish anything happen. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 23, 2008 14:03:21 GMT -5
I'm laughing for two reasons. First, you cited wikipedia. Is this how you form your opinions? Don't you realize that ANYONE could go edit that page. I could go edit that page and say it was created by GOD (which it was) and maybe you would believe it then. Second, that article was obviously written by scientists. And scientists will come up with everything to disprove God's existence. Which they have not been able to do. And they havent been able to prove his existence either, but that is what Faith is. Believing without seeing. Witness a miracle and it might change your mind. |
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Post by wienerpoopie on Jul 23, 2008 14:05:35 GMT -5
I'm laughing for two reasons. First, you cited wikipedia. Is this how you form your opinions? Don't you realize that ANYONE could go edit that page. I could go edit that page and say it was created by GOD (which it was) and maybe you would believe it then. Second, that article was obviously written by scientists. And scientists will come up with everything to disprove God's existence. Which they have not been able to do. And they havent been able to prove his existence either, but that is what Faith is. Believing without seeing. Witness a miracle and it might change your mind. Yes, all scientists are atheists  |
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Post by plungerhand on Jul 23, 2008 14:05:39 GMT -5
Everything can be explained threw science, if it can’t…then its magic I LOVE magic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 23, 2008 17:24:58 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity; what do TRUE athiests believe? is it a renouncing of the Christian Diety? or is it a lack of recognition of ANY Diety at all? Lack of belief in a deity. Renouncing the Christian Deity is for pissed off atheists with an axe to grind and a lot of time on their hands. |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 23, 2008 17:27:01 GMT -5
no one, God has always existed.. I know its hard to think about, but if you believe in the big bang theory, how were the particles in space created? This earth has not been here for eternity (obviously) So you believe a vast complex intelligence, one smart enough to create a universe, can exist without a designer? If he can exist without a creator, why do we need one? To me, it's a lot easier to believe matter and energy have always existed than to believe an intelligent being has always existed, and that by using magic he made the universe. That bit about breathing on a pile of dust to create man? Hillarious! |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 23, 2008 19:04:06 GMT -5
Atheists suck ass, but not all of them, I know at least one who actually has a conciounce n good morals. Maybe I don't have such a good understanding of them, I mean why would anyone not believe in God? Anyway I just associate atheists with satanists, racists n all those other people, evolutionists most of all, those people really need to be enlightened on what is true n false. Sucks theres so many here, I feel sorry for them. You know why you have a bad opinion of atheists? it's probably because you talk really condescending to us all the time and so when we are all pissed off/agitated we come off like douchebags The fact that an explosion happened and everything you see right now, humans, animals, vegetation were formed from that? Look at the constellations and the planets and tell me you think that just appeared? Methinks you have a bit of a misunderstanding of how physics, chemistry, and biology all work together. no one, God has always existed.. I know its hard to think about, but if you believe in the big bang theory, how were the particles in space created? This earth has not been here for eternity (obviously) Just because the earth has not been here does not mean the atoms/enegery that make up the earth did not exist prior to that. The big bang theory is based off a massive explosion on a highly condensed point, and if god is eternal, why can't observable things such as atoms and energy been there. Why does there even have to be a creator? Second, that article was obviously written by scientists. And scientists will come up with everything to disprove God's existence. Which they have not been able to do. And they havent been able to prove his existence either, but that is what Faith is. Believing without seeing. Witness a miracle and it might change your mind. The burden of proof is on the person trying to prove something exists, not the other way around. I'll gladly witness a miracle if you can find me one. So far I havn't seen one or heard of one that was not able to be proven scientifically (or wasn't just made up). |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 24, 2008 6:21:48 GMT -5
Second, that article was obviously written by scientists. And scientists will come up with everything to disprove God's existence. Which they have not been able to do. And they havent been able to prove his existence either, but that is what Faith is. Believing without seeing. Witness a miracle and it might change your mind. The burden of proof is on the person trying to prove something exists, not the other way around. I'll gladly witness a miracle if you can find me one. So far I havn't seen one or heard of one that was not able to be proven scientifically (or wasn't just made up). [/quote] I'm done arguing, but I just don't understand how you can think an explosion created all of this. Think about it. I mean GOD could've created the world using an explosion, but an explosion without a creator just formed all we know today? And then you believe that once you die you just cease to exist? Where did the concepts of good and evil come from? Did people just form with the explosion and develop a language, and all the intricacies of the human body? Look at a drawing of the human body, and all the muscles and everything and tell me that came out of an explosion. I just don't see how you can cease to believe in a creator when the beauty and complexity of the world screams it. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 24, 2008 8:11:20 GMT -5
Second, that article was obviously written by scientists. And scientists will come up with everything to disprove God's existence. Which they have not been able to do. And they havent been able to prove his existence either, but that is what Faith is. Believing without seeing. Witness a miracle and it might change your mind. The burden of proof is on the person trying to prove something exists, not the other way around. I'll gladly witness a miracle if you can find me one. So far I havn't seen one or heard of one that was not able to be proven scientifically (or wasn't just made up). I'm done arguing, but I just don't understand how you can think an explosion created all of this. Think about it. I mean GOD could've created the world using an explosion, but an explosion without a creator just formed all we know today? And then you believe that once you die you just cease to exist? Where did the concepts of good and evil come from? Did people just form with the explosion and develop a language, and all the intricacies of the human body? Look at a drawing of the human body, and all the muscles and everything and tell me that came out of an explosion. I just don't see how you can cease to believe in a creator when the beauty and complexity of the world screams it.[/quote] So do you believe in evolution? Or do you believe the earth is 6000-10000 years old? What do you believe? |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 24, 2008 9:45:02 GMT -5
I'm done arguing, but I just don't understand how you can think an explosion created all of this. Think about it. I mean GOD could've created the world using an explosion, but an explosion without a creator just formed all we know today? And then you believe that once you die you just cease to exist? Where did the concepts of good and evil come from? Did people just form with the explosion and develop a language, and all the intricacies of the human body? Look at a drawing of the human body, and all the muscles and everything and tell me that came out of an explosion. I just don't see how you can cease to believe in a creator when the beauty and complexity of the world screams it. But where did GOD come from? How is he here without something to create him? How is he here without an intelligent designer? You think it's hard to believe that everything "just happened" when that's PRECISELY what you believe about God! He "just happened." He was just "always there." You're making the mistake of assuming the big bang happened and instantly there were planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, nebulas, pulsars, and black holes. That is NOT what the Big Bang theory is. For much of the history of the universe, the only element was Hydrogen. The density of that Hydrogen didn't remain uniform, it congealed into stars, which by the use of a fusion reaction, create not only Helium, but all the elements of the periodic table. Think of it like hailstones. Most of them are quite small, so most of the atoms that result in the fusion reaction of stars are Helium. But, conditions can be right to create bigger hailstones, and thus "bigger" atoms like Iron, gold, and uranium result (much more rarely) as well. Atoms are mostly unstable, and bond to each other to create molecules. Some of these molecules create chemicals, which react with each other in amazing and unpredictable ways. Take a water molecule, H2O. By adding just one Oxygen atom to the molecule, resulting in H2O2, you go from having a clear, drinkable liquid that sustains life to peroxide, a solvent that turns a cloudy blue at certain temperatures. I agree these are huge concepts to wrap your head around. I'll admit they can even be hard to believe, but to me, it is even harder to believe that a vast intelligence has always existed, and can exist without a creator was the prime cause of all this. To me, that's intellectual laziness. It's giving up. Besides, if God's vast, "superior" intelligence doesn't need a creator to exist, why do we as "inferior" creatures need one? |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 24, 2008 10:05:16 GMT -5
I'm done arguing, but I just don't understand how you can think an explosion created all of this. Think about it. I mean GOD could've created the world using an explosion, but an explosion without a creator just formed all we know today? And then you believe that once you die you just cease to exist? Where did the concepts of good and evil come from? Did people just form with the explosion and develop a language, and all the intricacies of the human body? Look at a drawing of the human body, and all the muscles and everything and tell me that came out of an explosion. I just don't see how you can cease to believe in a creator when the beauty and complexity of the world screams it. But where did GOD come from? How is he here without something to create him? How is he here without an intelligent designer? You think it's hard to believe that everything "just happened" when that's PRECISELY what you believe about God! He "just happened." He was just "always there." You're making the mistake of assuming the big bang happened and instantly there were planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, nebulas, pulsars, and black holes. That is NOT what the Big Bang theory is. For much of the history of the universe, the only element was Hydrogen. The density of that Hydrogen didn't remain uniform, it congealed into stars, which by the use of a fusion reaction, create not only Helium, but all the elements of the periodic table. Think of it like hailstones. Most of them are quite small, so most of the atoms that result in the fusion reaction of stars are Helium. But, conditions can be right to create bigger hailstones, and thus "bigger" atoms like Iron, gold, and uranium result (much more rarely) as well. Atoms are mostly unstable, and bond to each other to create molecules. Some of these molecules create chemicals, which react with each other in amazing and unpredictable ways. Take a water molecule, H2O. By adding just one Oxygen atom to the molecule, resulting in H2O2, you go from having a clear, drinkable liquid that sustains life to peroxide, a solvent that turns a cloudy blue at certain temperatures. I agree these are huge concepts to wrap your head around. I'll admit they can even be hard to believe, but to me, it is even harder to believe that a vast intelligence has always existed, and can exist without a creator was the prime cause of all this. To me, that's intellectual laziness. It's giving up. Besides, if God's vast, "superior" intelligence doesn't need a creator to exist, why do we as "inferior" creatures need one? I got myself into quite a predicament. What you quoted as me saying, was actually said by elrushbo. It's just that when I went to quote him, it didn't quote properly. The only thing I asked was I agree with you. |
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Post by ratrad on Jul 24, 2008 10:13:07 GMT -5
This thread=Exercise in futility.
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 24, 2008 10:16:15 GMT -5
Sorry about that speedbump. I didn't want to quote the whole conversation thread, but it looks like I cut out the wrong parts.
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Post by speedbump on Jul 24, 2008 10:36:38 GMT -5
This thread=Exercise in futility. This is also true. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 24, 2008 10:49:27 GMT -5
I'm done arguing, but I just don't understand how you can think an explosion created all of this. Think about it. I mean GOD could've created the world using an explosion, but an explosion without a creator just formed all we know today? And then you believe that once you die you just cease to exist? Where did the concepts of good and evil come from? Did people just form with the explosion and develop a language, and all the intricacies of the human body? Look at a drawing of the human body, and all the muscles and everything and tell me that came out of an explosion. I just don't see how you can cease to believe in a creator when the beauty and complexity of the world screams it. But where did GOD come from? How is he here without something to create him? How is he here without an intelligent designer? You think it's hard to believe that everything "just happened" when that's PRECISELY what you believe about God! He "just happened." He was just "always there." You're making the mistake of assuming the big bang happened and instantly there were planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, nebulas, pulsars, and black holes. That is NOT what the Big Bang theory is. For much of the history of the universe, the only element was Hydrogen. The density of that Hydrogen didn't remain uniform, it congealed into stars, which by the use of a fusion reaction, create not only Helium, but all the elements of the periodic table. Think of it like hailstones. Most of them are quite small, so most of the atoms that result in the fusion reaction of stars are Helium. But, conditions can be right to create bigger hailstones, and thus "bigger" atoms like Iron, gold, and uranium result (much more rarely) as well. Atoms are mostly unstable, and bond to each other to create molecules. Some of these molecules create chemicals, which react with each other in amazing and unpredictable ways. Take a water molecule, H2O. By adding just one Oxygen atom to the molecule, resulting in H2O2, you go from having a clear, drinkable liquid that sustains life to peroxide, a solvent that turns a cloudy blue at certain temperatures. I agree these are huge concepts to wrap your head around. I'll admit they can even be hard to believe, but to me, it is even harder to believe that a vast intelligence has always existed, and can exist without a creator was the prime cause of all this. To me, that's intellectual laziness. It's giving up. Besides, if God's vast, "superior" intelligence doesn't need a creator to exist, why do we as "inferior" creatures need one? The reason we cant percieve God always being present is because our minds cant percieve infinity. I believe I will have eternal life through God when I die, but I cant even imagine what infinite life is going to be like. That is also why we cant imagine that God has always been there.. It's because our minds cant get around it. And Intellectual laziness? That would be to just accept science as you are obviously doing. And going back to an earlier post. I believe God has always existed and that He created the universe and everything. No explosions, no evolution. God created different species (and as for the dinosaur argument many have, it does mention Dragons and such in The Bible. |
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 24, 2008 17:53:23 GMT -5
But where did GOD come from? How is he here without something to create him? How is he here without an intelligent designer? You think it's hard to believe that everything "just happened" when that's PRECISELY what you believe about God! He "just happened." He was just "always there." You're making the mistake of assuming the big bang happened and instantly there were planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, nebulas, pulsars, and black holes. That is NOT what the Big Bang theory is. For much of the history of the universe, the only element was Hydrogen. The density of that Hydrogen didn't remain uniform, it congealed into stars, which by the use of a fusion reaction, create not only Helium, but all the elements of the periodic table. Think of it like hailstones. Most of them are quite small, so most of the atoms that result in the fusion reaction of stars are Helium. But, conditions can be right to create bigger hailstones, and thus "bigger" atoms like Iron, gold, and uranium result (much more rarely) as well. Atoms are mostly unstable, and bond to each other to create molecules. Some of these molecules create chemicals, which react with each other in amazing and unpredictable ways. Take a water molecule, H2O. By adding just one Oxygen atom to the molecule, resulting in H2O2, you go from having a clear, drinkable liquid that sustains life to peroxide, a solvent that turns a cloudy blue at certain temperatures. I agree these are huge concepts to wrap your head around. I'll admit they can even be hard to believe, but to me, it is even harder to believe that a vast intelligence has always existed, and can exist without a creator was the prime cause of all this. To me, that's intellectual laziness. It's giving up. Besides, if God's vast, "superior" intelligence doesn't need a creator to exist, why do we as "inferior" creatures need one? The reason we cant percieve God always being present is because our minds cant percieve infinity. I believe I will have eternal life through God when I die, but I cant even imagine what infinite life is going to be like. That is also why we cant imagine that God has always been there.. It's because our minds cant get around it. And Intellectual laziness? That would be to just accept science as you are obviously doing. And going back to an earlier post. I believe God has always existed and that He created the universe and everything. No explosions, no evolution. God created different species (and as for the dinosaur argument many have, it does mention Dragons and such in The Bible. None of us are blindly accepting science like you seem to believe. Science works like this "Plants use carbon dioxide and through photosynthesis they release oxygen", and to which you can say "Prove it", and then proof can be shown, very very thorough proof i might add. Anything without proof is just a hypothesis, for example, your hypothesis is "The world was created by god", scientifically you would then need to conduct empirical research and then prove your hypothesis. See it works like this: You make an observation of something, then you form your hypothesis. You test your hypothesis, and if there is enough empirical evidence on one side or another of the hypothesis, it then becomes a scientific theory. So far all religion has is the hypothesis, and has yet to prove this. At least with the big bang we have plenty of mathematical and observational evidence to support it. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 24, 2008 22:36:53 GMT -5
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Post by kaboobie92 on Jul 25, 2008 6:07:41 GMT -5
the big bang is a THEORY. If religion could be proven, if somehow God's existence was scientifically proven, then there would be no requirement of faith. Faith is what drives religion. And as for the photosynthesis, did you think God was just going to wave a magic wand everytime someone wanted to breathe? God had to make the planet self-sustaining, obviously to support human life. That is where science comes from, its an intelligent design.
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