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Post by ratrad on Jul 25, 2008 8:19:13 GMT -5
the big bang is a THEORY. If religion could be proven, if somehow God's existence was scientifically proven, then there would be no requirement of faith. Faith is what drives religion. And as for the photosynthesis, did you think God was just going to wave a magic wand everytime someone wanted to breathe? God had to make the planet self-sustaining, obviously to support human life. That is where science comes from, its an intelligent design. Thats your THEORY. See works both ways. |
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Post by speedbump on Jul 25, 2008 10:22:25 GMT -5
the big bang is a THEORY. If religion could be proven, if somehow God's existence was scientifically proven, then there would be no requirement of faith. Faith is what drives religion. And as for the photosynthesis, did you think God was just going to wave a magic wand everytime someone wanted to breathe? God had to make the planet self-sustaining, obviously to support human life. That is where science comes from, its an intelligent design. Intelligent design is not science. The proponents of intelligent design have never submitted a peer review journal, and the idea of "irreducible complexity" is considered pseudoscience by the scientific community at large. Every example of Irreducible complexity proposed by Michael Behe has been explained using current evolutionary theory. The definition of scientific theory is an explanation of scientific observations. A theory must have numerous experiments to support it, and scientists must be able to conduct experiments that fit in the theory. In science a theory must be based on facts and predictable observations. Nothing has proven either the Big Bang Theory or Evolutionary Theory, all observations that have been made to support said theory. No conclusive evidence has been shown to support intelligent design. Blind faith shouldn't be the driving force behind your religion. |
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Post by The Biff Lebowski on Jul 25, 2008 10:33:25 GMT -5
I am a creationist but also believe that evolution has occurred and continues to occur. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 25, 2008 16:54:27 GMT -5
The Hubble Space telescope can see with clarity billions of light years away and too date has never actually seen God. Where could he be?
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 25, 2008 17:08:22 GMT -5
the big bang is a THEORY. If religion could be proven, if somehow God's existence was scientifically proven, then there would be no requirement of faith. Faith is what drives religion. And as for the photosynthesis, did you think God was just going to wave a magic wand everytime someone wanted to breathe? God had to make the planet self-sustaining, obviously to support human life. That is where science comes from, its an intelligent design. You misunderstand the word theory when applied to science, you do realize that gravity is a theory right? Theory as used in every day language is the definition you are applying in this case, however when talking about a scientific theory it is totally different. A scientific theory is the culmination of all the data that supports a hypothesis. i.e. I hypothesize that matter is drawn to other matter through gravity. Then through experimentation and observation we now have Gravitational Theory. Big difference. |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 25, 2008 17:14:53 GMT -5
the big bang is a THEORY. If religion could be proven, if somehow God's existence was scientifically proven, then there would be no requirement of faith. Faith is what drives religion. And as for the photosynthesis, did you think God was just going to wave a magic wand everytime someone wanted to breathe? God had to make the planet self-sustaining, obviously to support human life. That is where science comes from, its an intelligent design. Gravity is a THEORY, as well as the germ THEORY of disease. Theory in science is not a guess. It is a scientific conclusion, a principle that fits and explains the facts. Creation myths do not fit the facts. When you think of the word "theory" in scientific context, think Music Theory. You're admitting God's existence cannot be scientifically proven. Fine. Then quit trying to convince other people he's real. Faith is flawed thinking. Because faith cannot be tested empirically, anyone can make any claim they want and then invoke "faith" to "prove" it to themselves. This is nothing more a circular delusion where the conclusion is presented as proof of itself. Things are not true because you want them to be. You have no evidence that any God exists. When you say "but look at the trees and the butterflies!" it does nothing to convince me. "God did it" is not the default conclusion for everything. It is an assertion. In order for an assertion to be true, direct emperical evidence must be supplied. All you have is your assertion. |
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Post by scooterfanatic on Jul 25, 2008 17:26:12 GMT -5
I am a creationist but also believe that evolution has occurred and continues to occur. The two aren't mutually exclusive. That's what I've always tried to point out. This evolution debate is just like the Catholic church in the 15th century silencing people for saying the earth orbits the sun. It violated their understanding of scripture at the time, so they refused to believe it. Eventually though, it was accepted and the Bible was interpreted differently. For a Biblical literalist to now challenge the heliocentric solar system today, he would be a laughingstock. Even the strictest fundamentalists accept that the earth is not the center of the universe. Evolution neither promotes nor disparages atheism. The question of the existence of a God is a purely philosophical one. Science deals only with what we can detect, test, and study. God may have done it, but that still doesn't make it science. What the Christians are actually arguing is that they believe the Genesis story is a better account of the origin and diversity of life than abiogenesis and evolutionary theory. The facts show overwhelmingly otherwise. If Biblical literalists were to convince me that Genesis is the accurate account, they would have to fulfill these 5 challenges I have posted: www.godless-heathen.com/2008/06/creationist-challenge.htmlSo far, no biblical creationist has been able to provide the evidence, which, according to their own beliefs, should be easily met. In my opinion, those who would argue against something so well-supported by evidence because their ancient book written by goat herders tells them different are worshiping a book, not God. |
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 25, 2008 17:29:40 GMT -5
"Then quit trying to convince other people he's real."
They can't help themselves because "the bible told them so". When you cease having original thoughts and give yourself too Jesus you are compelled to bible thump anyone you come in contact with for fear of offending their god
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 25, 2008 17:34:14 GMT -5
"Then quit trying to convince other people he's real." They can't help themselves because "the bible told them so". When you cease having original thoughts and give yourself too Jesus you are compelled to bible thump anyone you come in contact with for fear of offending their god To be honest i think the main issue is not ceasing to have original thoughts, its that most people never get the chance to have them from the get go. Although it seems like a bad idea to reference a comedian during this pretty civil (all things considered) discussion we have going on here, I am going to because its appropriate. Here is a great point he brings up in one of Doug Stanhope's standups where right from the getgo he brings up a very applicable theoretical scenario: |
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 25, 2008 17:43:12 GMT -5
Well, said. I come from a former "born again" mind frame and i guess it creeps into my thoughts.
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Post by Mad Dog on Jul 25, 2008 17:56:17 GMT -5
Also, everyone has too remember here that the bible is an ancient book written by people every bit as intellegent and crafty and emotional as we are today trying too make sense of their world just as we are. All they had too work with was conjector as fact. I don't belive they set out to lie to people, but obvously they were not working with all the facts in hand. Neither do we, but we have 2000 plus years of observation and science and dinosaur bones and space exploration that say if God really does exist, He has hidden himself really, really, well.
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Post by providencecrow on Jul 25, 2008 18:06:43 GMT -5
I don't belive they set out to lie to people, but obvously they were not working with all the facts in hand. I think it is a combination of both. They probably came up with some general stuff, then the smarter guys said "Hey people are believing this 100%, we can put anything we want in here and people will obey". I'm sure some of it is allegory, some of it was perceived as fact when it was written, and some was word smithed in there to help control people. |
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Post by myself on Jul 25, 2008 18:41:58 GMT -5
Ibelieve that there is no "god", and plus the bible is ancient. Thing arent the same. Yes, I had read some of the bible and back then even there words are different meaning. The bible was mostly lost in translation and a cooked up fairy tale as believable as jack and the bean stalk. The whole idea of christianity is a false hope sort of thing. I will not waste my time for a guy to take me away from this world because honestly "heaven" can't be any better than earth. I have gone to church and even studied the good book but, still I dont believe until I get proof of something greater.
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Post by shaggytheclown17 on Aug 5, 2008 10:48:29 GMT -5
Well the deal is quite simple, you either believe in God and Jesus Christ the lord and savior, or you can not believe n then be sent to Hell because of your owns sins that weren't forgiven due to the lack of acceptance of the forgivness given freely to you.
And yes that is a fair deal, say whatever you want, doesn't matter.
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Post by Mad Dog on Aug 17, 2008 17:23:31 GMT -5
Well the deal is quite simple, you either believe in God and Jesus Christ the lord and savior, or you can not believe n then be sent to Hell because of your owns sins that weren't forgiven due to the lack of acceptance of the forgivness given freely to you. And yes that is a fair deal, say whatever you want, doesn't matter. Shaggy sorry dude you suck. You need to go hang out with 8ball"quarter"pocket. Thanks for judging us wanton and sending us all to hell you illiterate SOB. |
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Post by kaboobie92 on Aug 18, 2008 6:17:31 GMT -5
see its people like shaggyclown that are giving us Christians a bad rap. It's not our place to judge (it's GOD's). It's our purpose to show love and compassion and what being Christ-like is all about. Hospitality, love, and compassion are what we are supposed to show the world and with places like WBC, it's making us look bad. I'm just sick of people who call themselves Christians, but judge and condemn everyone who dosen't believe. Don't get me wrong, I would love to try and convert every person I see. But telling everyone they are going to hell if they don't repent is not the way to do it. Just my thoughts
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Post by providencecrow on Aug 18, 2008 17:42:44 GMT -5
see its people like shaggyclown that are giving us Christians a bad rap. It's not our place to judge (it's GOD's). It's our purpose to show love and compassion and what being Christ-like is all about. Hospitality, love, and compassion are what we are supposed to show the world and with places like WBC, it's making us look bad. I'm just sick of people who call themselves Christians, but judge and condemn everyone who dosen't believe. Don't get me wrong, I would love to try and convert every person I see. But telling everyone they are going to hell if they don't repent is not the way to do it. Just my thoughts I will agree with you on that for the most part (only from the opposite side of the fence), but i can sum that all up in two sentences: It doesn't matter what you do or do not believe in, some people are just self-righteous douche bags. It doesn't matter if you are PETA trying to get people to stop eating meat, or if you are in the WBC trying to get people to....(im still not sure their angle is other than general asshattery), a douchebag is a douchebag. |
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Post by lovegrenade on Aug 20, 2008 7:49:13 GMT -5
Everything they're talking about right now, they SHOULD be applying to their belief in God. The main reason that they can believe in God and not in Bigfoot is because they were raised to believe in God, they were not raised to believe in Bigfoot. Childhood indoctrination is a powerful thing...
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Post by The Swamp Donkey on Aug 20, 2008 8:32:47 GMT -5
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Post by lovegrenade on Aug 20, 2008 8:44:44 GMT -5
The funniest thing about that video is the Scientology advertisement to the right of it.
Dane cook is such an unfunny douche, and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.
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Post by The Swamp Donkey on Aug 21, 2008 7:33:19 GMT -5
Relax guy, u dont have to try and start a youtube religious comedy montage battle, im sure some people like different comedians. thats not supernatural, especially when i waited for 7:30 to laugh in that video.
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Post by lovegrenade on Aug 21, 2008 8:15:13 GMT -5
I'm plenty relaxed, I just thought the comedy that I posted was a lot funnier and smarter.
Sorry you had to wait until 7:30 to laugh, but I didn't get a laugh at all out of the Dane video, so we'll call it even.
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Post by plungerhand on Aug 21, 2008 8:23:35 GMT -5
I'm plenty relaxed, I just thought the comedy that I posted was a lot funnier and smarter. Sorry you had to wait until 7:30 to laugh, but I didn't get a laugh at all out of the Dane video, so we'll call it even. Dane Cook sucks. He got where he is 'cause he's a pretty boy. All is material is lifted from others. He's a white Mencia. |
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Post by airhornahole on Aug 21, 2008 8:35:01 GMT -5
I'm plenty relaxed, I just thought the comedy that I posted was a lot funnier and smarter. Sorry you had to wait until 7:30 to laugh, but I didn't get a laugh at all out of the Dane video, so we'll call it even. Dane Cook sucks. He got where he is 'cause he's a pretty boy. All is material is lifted from others. He's a white Mencia. I couldn't agree more. I started watching one of his shows and turn it after 5 minutes. That was all I could take. |
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Post by lovegrenade on Aug 21, 2008 8:45:07 GMT -5
"I'm funny beCAUSE I GET REALLY LOUD!!!!!!!" - Dane Cook
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Post by providencecrow on Aug 21, 2008 17:38:24 GMT -5
"I'm funny beCAUSE I GET REALLY LOUD!!!!!!!" - Dane Cook More like "Im funny because i take a good comedians jokes, like Louis C.K., make them unnecessarily complicated using words i dont particularly seem to understand, and then strip the funny out of them" - Dane Cook |
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Post by lovegrenade on Aug 22, 2008 8:09:52 GMT -5
Louis C.K. is awesome.
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Post by The Swamp Donkey on Aug 25, 2008 10:04:58 GMT -5
it wasnt so much that im trying to pull for dane cook, hes not my favorite comedian by any means, i just remembered he had a joke on atheism. i agree he is more of a performer than comedian, a white mencia is actually right on. would def rather go with carlin, hedberg, or seinfeld any day.
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Post by lokizilla on Sept 8, 2008 9:58:26 GMT -5
I'm a Christian and very conservative.
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Post by airhornahole on Sept 8, 2008 10:01:05 GMT -5
I'm a Christian and very conservative. I'm sorry, but that just sounds like a statement at an addiction support meeting. ;D ;D Hi my name is Joe. I'm a Christian and very conservative. HI JOE!!! |
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